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Posted 7/28/2017 4:01 AM (GMT 0)
Hello!

I have been treating my late stage Lyme since January this year. I have seen great improvements thus far on the Cowden protocol; however, I notice my symptoms move around to the place that seems to be the weakest. Some are scarier than others :/ Right now, it's my teeth! I noticed a couple months ago that my gums had receded and my oblivious dentist said it's because of my alignment but I know it is from Lyme. I take very good care of my rather straight teeth, using several natrual fluroide-free toothpastes, oil pulling, baking soda, you name it! I eat very low sugar, almost keto, but if I slip up even a little then my teeth start to feel like they're going to fall out. Should I be worried? My dentist's only solution is Invisalign which I think would be a bad idea right now (more physical trauma probably would weaken my immunity, right?). The first time my teeth were hurting, I tried dripping the Cowden tinctures (samento etc) right into my teeth instead of taking them with water. That seemed to help over a few weeks, but I just can't tell if it's slowly getting worse over time and I am missing something. Any suggestions? I'm only 21 years old and very concerned about my teeth :/
Posted 7/28/2017 7:27 AM (GMT 0)
Do you use coconut oil for the oil pulling? Do you add anything to it?

A couple essential oils that would be good:
Tea tree
clove

I think I would get another opinion - Not sure the Invisalign is necessary.


There's also the option of seeing a biological dentist.
Posted 7/28/2017 11:39 AM (GMT 0)
Find a biological dds
Posted 7/28/2017 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you so so much everyone for your replies!! smile

I have Young Living Thieves, which is mostly clove, and I occasionally rub that on my gums but I cannot tell if it helps or is too powerful, as Daisies cautions. I also put it in with the oil pulling mixture, which is usually coconut or black seed oil.

I actually did buy that Revitin toothpaste from the Lyme Summit. I use it maybe every other day because I can't help but feel like the actual antimicrobial toothpastes with peppermint/clove/etc. work better, so I am always alternating in uncertainty. I tend to think that it's similar to how a probiotic won't kill Lyme, you need some antimicrobial and then a probiotic to balance it. Would it make sense to use a prebiotic toothpaste one day and an antimicrobial the next?

I have not heard of that tonic or the MI toothpaste. These sound promising, so I will definitely give them a try smile and perhaps I will keep using the Thieves (but diluted this time!) to see if that makes a difference when used regularly.

Blessings to everyone thank you so much!!
Posted 7/28/2017 11:20 PM (GMT 0)
I think using the Cowden protocol is a good move. I think those herbs are as strong, if not stronger, than abx based on the herx reaction. Cowden did a scientific study of abx and herbs to compare the two. Apparently the abx took out spirochetes, but didn't really take out the spirochete eggs. The herbs took out both the spirochetes and the eggs, so that's a big plus. I have neurolyme, so it seems to be effective for that as well.
Posted 7/29/2017 2:32 AM (GMT 0)
gfields - Wow, I didn't know that (about the eggs). Very reassuring. Thank you so much smile
Posted 7/29/2017 3:33 AM (GMT 0)
Don't do the baking soda. It is very abrasive. The receding gum line exposes the cementum, which is softer than the enamel that covers the crown of the tooth, and therefore is more prone to decay (and structural damage from abrasives).

How your brush your teeth is more important than what you use to brush your teeth.

Never brush your teeth with a closed fist, as if you were cleaning grout. My dental hygienist told me most people don't brush correctly.

Septilin. This Ayurvedic medicine is known to boost immunity and fight a variety of infections. Septilin is a proprietary blend of Guggulu, Guduchi, amla, licorice and other compounds that support a healthy immune system and reduce inflammation. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial published in the Journal of Periodontal Implant Science found that dietary supplementation with Septilin improves periodontal treatment outcomes. In just three weeks, participants who were given the compound showed marked improvement in trial scores.

Amla. Another supplement commonly prescribed in Ayurvedic practice is known as a rebuilder of oral health. Researchers acknowledge that amla supports healing and development of connective tissue. It can be used as a mouth rinse, or taken orally in a capsule form for long-term dental health.

The above 2 paragraphs are from this site -- https://draxe.com/receding-gums/
Posted 7/29/2017 3:34 AM (GMT 0)
In hindsight, I can see I had some receding gum line after lyme as well. It did stop.

I don't think you need to worry about it receding to the point it's very noticeable.
Posted 7/29/2017 3:49 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you very much, Pete and dacarte. Will look into the ayurvedics and hold off on the baking soda. Blessings
Posted 7/29/2017 11:16 AM (GMT 0)
I too have had it, but it seems to have stopped now. Agree with dacarte. I was VERY concerned about this, but I hope I'm past this
Posted 7/29/2017 11:18 AM (GMT 0)
I do however get a lot of stuff covering especially my bottom front teeth. Maybe plaque. I never had any teeth/gum issues before this crap started
Posted 7/29/2017 2:52 PM (GMT 0)
Sometimes a receding gum is really not the gum, but the tooth declining. As in bone loss. Might be worth an non invasive bone density test to see how your other bones are doing.

It is called a Dexa scan. Quick, easy and with your clothes on.
Posted 7/29/2017 5:34 PM (GMT 0)
If you have receding gums, it will cause bone loss...so you should try and get a handle on the gum issue.

(been there, done that)

Mine have been stable for over 10 years now...
Posted 7/29/2017 6:39 PM (GMT 0)
I've had so much radiation already from years of scanning to find the cause of my condition as well as from a broken tibia 4 years ago :// I'm afraid it is causing harm over time.

I'm happy to hear it has stopped for you all. I will definitely be more vigilant about my sugar intake and brush gently....

I heard on the Lyme Summit #2 that lead toxicity manifests in the bones. I believe my mother passed down both Lyme and metals to me, and she has osteoporosis. I have been having several metal-related symptoms, too. Did you guys find a link between clearing heavy metals and your bone/teeth health?

Post Edited (blackie95) : 7/29/2017 12:42:42 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/29/2017 9:03 PM (GMT 0)
Osteoporosis - As the disease is genetic, the possibility that osteoporosis can be hereditary is clear, and a person with a family history of bone fracture or loss of bone density issue has a greater risk of developing the condition.

I have this in my family going way back. I have had a Dexa Scan and I definitely have it, along with osteopenia in many places. Osteopenia is pre-osteoporosis.

Not much you can do about that. Just eat healthy veggies and fruits, lots of rest, Vitamin D, Calcium, and weight bearing activities (walking, jogging and weight training).
Posted 7/30/2017 1:32 AM (GMT 0)
Bone loss comes first, then causes receding gums (at least in my case, what the dentist told me). You lose bone, then the gum has nothing to stick to, so it recedes.

My gums receded painfully with Lyme and I had a lot of gum pain and dental sensitivity. When I brushed with coconut oil it went away, but as soon as I used regular toothpaste it came screaming back. After a few months I got black tartar build up around my gum line which never happened before and it freaked me out. As the plaque got worse and worse I decided to ditch the coconut oil (because half the internet says it's good for teeth the other half says not).

I figured I'd put up with pain of regular toothpaste to keep my teeth from rotting. However, when I switched back, the pain never came back! Yay, progress! Also I went to the dentist and they polished the plaque right off and they look great again.

My treatment is continuing to show progress, and hopefully no more dental issues.

By the way, I was told to use a soft bristle brush, place it at a 45 degree angle at the gum line, then wiggle back and forth- so the bristles aren't scrubbing against your teeth and being rough, but are more like vibrating in place. Then pick up the bristles, move to the next section, and wiggle again.
Posted 7/30/2017 4:19 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the input, everyone!

It seems to be a common thought that the gum recession and pain decreases with proper Lyme treatment smile And perhaps I will ask my parents about seeing the bone density. I did break my tibia through a shin guard 4 years ago, after all sad

Will also make sure I get outside more, maybe even supplement with vitamin d, get more calcium in, etc. I think metals are messing with my mineral balance....
Posted 7/30/2017 3:23 PM (GMT 0)
You dont even have to have teeth to have pain in the gums where teeth used to be. Its not extremely painful but present.

Seems the spirochetes are still active. I am hoping when I get the last 2 failed implants removed tomorrow that this will change.

I will be doing ozone again in 10 days. The prolozone injections seem to calm it down and scale it back but it has come back so far.
Even in the knee joint where ozone shots help but then it comes back. Even with autohemotherapy.

Definitely time to get a home machine and save money on treatments.

On the plus side, I dont want to jinx it, but having my first muscle and back pain free day in a long time. Not going to question it, just going with it. Only slept 5 hours but felt so good I did treadmill this morning.

I think the shorter sleep helps the inflammation. Hope to make it the whole day without Kratom and two days would be a miracle.
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