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Posted 10/23/2017 5:49 PM (GMT 0)
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Post Edited (1000Daisies) : 5/14/2021 8:12:16 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/23/2017 6:04 PM (GMT 0)
My opinion: Sida is hitting bartonella.

I get increased inflammation from lots of the herbs. Both knotweed and cat's claw make mine worse. I can get all kinds of inflammation. IHA increased my foot pain. Knotweed, cat's claw, and possibly danshen/skullcap combo caused tendon inflammation for me. I get brain and gut inflammation, too. Reduce your dosage until you feel relief like Buhner says. Then slowly try to work up until you find your max dose.

My impression is adequate treatment takes a long time. I plan on staying with the Buhner protocol at least a year.

My doc said it's like playing whac-a-mole. You get one infection down and another one starts to pop out. I'm doing the Bart protocol. She told me to add more herbs for Lyme and babs and do it all together. I have to go very low and slow though. Added 1 drop of cat's claw and Sida and brain and gut have been worse all week.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 10/23/2017 12:17:08 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/23/2017 6:35 PM (GMT 0)
"When I started the Woodland Essence C.S.A. (Cryptolepis, Sida and Alchornea), it caused some pretty severe foot pain that I did NOT have anything like this before. So bad that I could barely walk some mornings. Despite being on these for many months now, I still deal with this. (I resolved one foot's pain by putting ACV on it over night. It literally took all the pain away. The other foot has been persistent, although I've knocked it back if I remember to do my stretches.) This is not a healing crisis. This caused a NEW problem for me that has not resolved despite many months on these herbals. (I was on a bunch of supportive, core herbals which should have reduced the inflammation too. I have since dropped those, and I now only take C.S.A. and houttuynia)"


i also agree with WBF that the Sida is hitting bartonella. Cryptolepis - while it's part of the Babesia protocol, my LLND says it hits other infections as well. (not sure if he's correct)

Sida plus foot pain = sounds like Bart.

Not sure what you mean: "This is not a healing crisis."

It can take more than several months for the symptoms to resolve.
Posted 10/23/2017 7:28 PM (GMT 0)
inflammation in the joints is the perfect thing to address with DMSO
Posted 10/23/2017 7:45 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, I get the difference between flares and herxes.

I have always had daily flares of symptoms...and sometimes hard to distinguish between them and a herx.


But, not sure what you mean by healing crisis.


Whether it's a flare...or a herx...it means that you have active infection that the sida may have stirred up.
Posted 10/24/2017 12:54 AM (GMT 0)
1000Daisies,

I know you've been at this far longer than I have treatment-wise. I'm not surprised by what you're experiencing, though. I've often wondered if people with only minor symptoms would be better off not treating at all. Treatment - whether antibiotics or herbal - has the potential to bring infections out of hiding or dormancy, IMO. Considering that many believe it's impossible to completely eradicate the infections, I'm not sure if pulling the infections out of hiding is a good thing or not. I get the impression Buhner thinks not. I'm pretty sure that's why he's not a fan of using biofilm busters.

In theory, if a person was doing well and had only minor symptoms and committed to a lifestyle of protecting and enhancing their immune system, it is possible they could live well for the rest of their lives without suffering a major relapse.

I think Lyme is a lot like having cancer. We can't ever forget that it could come back and we want to make sure we "got it all", so we feel compelled to look in every crevice trying to find every trace of it and get it all out.

By the way, I'm not implying that your symptoms are minor or that you shouldn't be treating. I'm just thinking out loud.
Posted 10/25/2017 1:02 AM (GMT 0)
I have experienced the worsening of symptoms. Actually, symptoms that I had some time ago, such as fibromyalgia, have come back. I picture these disease-causing creatures fighting back as they are attacked by the herbals and my body's strengthening (I hope) defenses.
Buhner does state that the core protocol will serve to break up biofilms (p 236, Healing Lyme, so perhaps he does not feel it necessary to go after them more aggressively.
Posted 10/25/2017 2:33 PM (GMT 0)
I've had that morning foot pain where I can barely walk. It's better now, but still there. Mornings are definitely the toughest for me.

The rifampin/mino combo is helping, but I also added JK, Houttinya, sida acuta and stevia. I've been taking samento for months, and will switch to cats claw when this bottle is out.

I also started using more essential oils - four thieves on bottoms of feet. Diffused lavender for sleep.

So I don't know what exactly is helping, but I've had a decent couple of weeks!
Posted 10/25/2017 3:56 PM (GMT 0)
1) i agree with the above posters that the Sida and Alchornea are hitting bart and that brought out foot pain. You may want to add a little houttinoya and see if that helps

2) i get the same reactions as you. Some things make me herx, others just make me worse and it isn't helped by detoxing. In your case tho, the foot pain i think is very indicative of bart
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