Detox timing?

I just had my first Herx ever. Three years of treatment under two LLMDs, plenty of antibiotics, antimalarials, nope, nada, never herxed.

So I never had to think about detox too much. Now I'm flying solo, no LLMD or ND or anything. I'm actually doing a mishmash treatment right now of anti-candida, anti-Lyme and anti-viral (will include that at the end).

My main question:

What is the best timing for detox agents (ideally for regular maintenance to keep Herxes at bay)?

Here's what I have for detox: chlorella/spirulina, burbur-pinella, activated charcoal, milk thistle, Nanogreens.

I know that some of those bind toxins but I don't know how each one works (except activated charcoal). So it seems to me you would want to space detox treatments out from your antimicrobials, in case the antimicrobials would bind.

Here's what I'm on currently:
Chlorella/spirulina
Turmeric
Kefir
Cistus tea
Candida Cleanse (oregano leaf extract, caprylic acid, several other ingredients)
Monolaurin

I took a 2-day break from the antimicrobials and added in the detox treatments. So now that I'm adding antimicrobials back in, I'm wondering about the timing.

As a side note, this is a treatment I was just trying out because I was recommended. I didn't expect much of anything, much less my first Herx! I'm planning to start Buhner's core protocol in 2 months.

Hi biscotta -

Sounds like you're on the right track.

For some people, not herxing and then herxing is a good sign that you're hitting what you need to hit or you are at more effective doses.

DETOXING
The best approach to detoxing is to cover all the 6 bases:

skin - skin is our largest detox organ so soaking or sweating can help draw out toxins - there are many "recipes" online - always start with one thing at a time, increase temperature, exposure and duration very slowly over time

GI - you're on the right track with the charcoal - you will need to maintain 2 hr time buffers before and after the GI binders since it will drag everything out of your GI with it - incl nutrition and meds/supps so give your body a chance to digest these before and after the binder.

brain - the Pinella & Burber aren't binders or antimicrobials - they help the nerves in the brain and I can't explain it better than that - sorry!

liver - it's wise to support the liver and kidneys as they process a lot of toxins - milk thistle seed, burdock root, Pekana homeopathic drainage kits are helpful

lymph - help your circulatory system carry the toxins out of your body and prevent the nodes from getting clogged with red root, dry brushing and gentle massage, warm compresses - look up directions for the last 3 online - technique is important.

inflammation - SO MUCH of our process involves inflammation - it's a natural defense mechanism our immune system employs (often, w/out our permission!) that is intended to "punt" the gunk out of our tissues. And the inflammation is what causes so many other symptoms to pop up (cold and flu sx) but it usually means your immune sx is at work. My Lyme-knowledgable neurologist suggests that MOST neuropathy is due to inflammation so it's important to also reduce the uncomfortable side effects while we're treating, too. Turmeric is popular on this forum. I also like japanese knotweed.

BINDING
Again - generally, the only binding you're doing is with the charcoal. And again, time buffers are critical and so is drinking a lot of water before, during and after taking the charcoal. Over time you can also add bentonite clay or another binder - double up. You want to take the binders after you're done killing everything for the day. Some people can fit in two doses of binding but with the time buffers, this makes it pretty difficult.

SEQUENCE
The cistus tea is an antibiofilm - you should take this first to bust up the biofilm party and release the pathogens hanging out inside.

Then take the killing agents (antimicrobials, antifungals)

Then take the binders AFTER you've killed stuff (antimicrobials/antifungals) to get them out of the body ASAP

Then you can do your detoxing and immune support - can be done whenever you want.

Most herbs need to be taken on an empty stomach - you can look at these individually.

Hope this helps!

-p

Pirouette said...


SEQUENCE
The cistus tea is an antibiofilm - you should take this first to bust up the biofilm party and release the pathogens hanging out inside.

Then take the killing agents (antimicrobials, antifungals)

Then take the binders AFTER you've killed stuff (antimicrobials/antifungals) to get them out of the body ASAP

Then you can do your detoxing and immune support - can be done whenever you want.

Most herbs need to be taken on an empty stomach - you can look at these individually.

Hope this helps!

-p

is this daily? I never realized you had to take binders right after you kill the suckers. For example, I take my liquid herbals in the AM and PM - should I be taking charcoal after both times?

Great explanation biscotta.

Most of the antimirobials/antivirals/antifungals, etc. we are taking orally. So the dead debris from infections that we hit first just hangs out in the GI unless we have great, natural detoxing functions and super-efficient bowel movements, which most of us don't. So the GI binders help drag toxins and debris out of the GI quickly, which can really help those with GI or herxing issues.

Many of the things we're taking also cross the mucosal barrier of the GI and that's how it enters the blood stream for systemic impact, get processed by liver/kidneys.

For instance, milk thistle seed doesn't do a whole lot in the GI but it does help the liver metabolize meds and process detoxins.

Science also found blood vessels that directly link gut and brain - thus the "gut-brain connection". The GI is also where most yeast/fungal overgrowth originates and also where most of the di off occurs, which can cause neurotoxins like ethanol and acetaldeyhde, which can then affect the brain through the blood vessels to the brain and cause all sorts of herxing effects. Best to remove it as quickly as possible while in the gut.

10LymeB -
Most people can't do binders more than once/day because of the time buffers. But I do think the sequence is helpful for those with herxing or GI issues. Whatever you don't eliminate naturally, which can be significant for many of us and why we get help from binders, sticks around for a full day.

-p