Flagella

Do Bartonella Quintana and hensleae have flagella?

I've recived my western blot from Igenex and i only have p41 positive IgM and IgG... for lyme

Hmm...I've not heard this - that any bart species have a flagella. Thats a new one .


I've read syphillis, dental spirochetes, relapsing fever, Pinta and Yaws,

And you know it can be lyme.

k07 said...
Lots of bacteria have a flagella. I am not sure if it specifically has to be a spirochete with a flagella. If it is a spirochete than the list dwindles significantly to those that Girlie mentioned. I am not sure how the test could tell the difference between spiro and non-spiro flagella.

E coli and salmonella have a flagella.
/microbeonline.com/bacterial-flagella-structure-importance-and-examples-of-flagellated-bacteria/

Okay that makes sense,

So it must be that band 41 on the WB is limited to a spirochete then.

k07 said...

Girlie said...

k07 said...
Lots of bacteria have a flagella. I am not sure if it specifically has to be a spirochete with a flagella. If it is a spirochete than the list dwindles significantly to those that Girlie mentioned. I am not sure how the test could tell the difference between spiro and non-spiro flagella.

E coli and salmonella have a flagella.
/microbeonline.com/bacterial-flagella-structure-importance-and-examples-of-flagellated-bacteria/

Okay that makes sense,

So it must be that band 41 on the WB is limited to a spirochete then.

You’d think, but I’m not so sure. How would a spirochete flagella differ from a non spirochete flagella? Band 41 is seen in just about everyone. I am inclined to think it can be both. I wish I could get an answer from an expert on this.

Reason I say this is because it is included in test results to determine a positive result for lyme. If it can by anything...then I doubt it would be...no?



Positive: If two or more of the following bands are present: 23, 31, 34, 39, 41 and 93 kDa.

I have band 41 as well and my LLMD dismissed it. "Everyone has band 41" he said

As for you, if your immune system is not strong it may not be able to mount a response. I wouldn’t discount lyme. Did you do any abx before test? If you feel better with treatment I think that is the only wayto know if you are on the right path. Were you exploring mold too? I can’t recall...

k07 said...

Girlie said...

k07 said...

Girlie said...

k07 said...
Lots of bacteria have a flagella. I am not sure if it specifically has to be a spirochete with a flagella. If it is a spirochete than the list dwindles significantly to those that Girlie mentioned. I am not sure how the test could tell the difference between spiro and non-spiro flagella.

E coli and salmonella have a flagella.
/microbeonline.com/bacterial-flagella-structure-importance-and-examples-of-flagellated-bacteria/

Okay that makes sense,

So it must be that band 41 on the WB is limited to a spirochete then.

You’d think, but I’m not so sure. How would a spirochete flagella differ from a non spirochete flagella? Band 41 is seen in just about everyone. I am inclined to think it can be both. I wish I could get an answer from an expert on this.

Reason I say this is because it is included in test results to determine a positive result for lyme. If it can by anything...then I doubt it would be...no?

Positive: If two or more of the following bands are present: 23, 31, 34, 39, 41 and 93 kDa.

Well, I think that is why it must be paired with a more lyme specific band. On its own, I personally wouldn’t jump to lyme. I also would only go by results from a good lab - like igenex. My labcorp blot results are very inconsistent and don’t look anything like my 2 igenex tests.

But they all have to be paired with another band from the list...even the lyme specific ones - you're not positive unless there's 2 or more from that list.

IDK - but I think it wouldn't be included at all if "lots of bacteria have a flagella" - Then why even include it, right?

k07 said...
I have no idea. I don't know enough about it to say one way or another for sure. I am not sure who I could even ask to answer that question.

Maybe Igenex?