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Posted 4/7/2018 4:02 AM (GMT 0)
Does anyone have any experience withremediating mold? Any companies that use natural proven enzymes to eliminate mold versus tearing apart walls to remediate? Thx!
Posted 4/7/2018 9:31 AM (GMT 0)
HI you will want to check out Chickenarise's thread/post on Mold. He has posted some excellent information on this.

You can do a search and it should come up.

best of luck with the mold issues, Take care
Posted 4/7/2018 9:49 AM (GMT 0)
This might be the thread goshawk mentioned:

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3987613
Posted 4/10/2018 12:55 PM (GMT 0)
Be careful with these enzymes. I used Kleen Free through the cold fogger and the mold devoured it. There were new blooms and added moisture. I contacted the company and asked if I should apply more or spray Concrobium and the rep said to use the Concrobium.

I have ordered the MOLD BOMB from Biocide. I will review it once I have had the chance to evaluate it. It will appear in the mold thread below when I do.

We still use a dehumidifier and Concrobium every 3 months, but high powered HEPA filtration has provided the most improvement. If the house is loaded with spores the best thing to do is remove them with HEPA or Negative Air machines. Even dead mold can be hazardous to your health.


/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3987613
Posted 4/10/2018 5:04 PM (GMT 0)
I've got some air testers coming with a machine that sucks the air through the test cartridges. I'm testing 3 rooms in my house plus the outside air for comparison. There is a lab that will rent you the machine with 2 cartridges and testing for $175. Each additional cartridge is 70 bucks which includes testing and results. Apparently, this is a professional air test for mold that is used in businesses and such.

Mold is so common yet goes undetected a lot of the time. Most people are ok with it until they get something like Lyme.
Posted 4/10/2018 6:54 PM (GMT 0)
That said, ChickenArise, would a person benefit from fogging their home with the appropriate materials and the addition of a high-quality air purifier without actually having remediation take place? An air purifier would help, that's been established. Though, would fogging provide lasting benefits beyond the first few days? I seem to recall you mentioning a plan to fog every three months.

I ask, because I don't plan on living here beyond another year or two. My family may be affected to a degree by the mold, but they're not too concerned when I bring the topic up. Granted, it's another money issue, but it's also our health. In any case, I'm the one that seems to be sensitive to it. I'm noticing all sorts of things, now that I've been sleeping with the filter in my room. Stupidly, for months I did not tie the furnace coming on with an increase in brain fog and inflammation, especially in the sinuses. It's circulating more spores. There may be a concentration in the air system. I just thought it was one of those random fluctuations.

Anyway, it's probably pointless to ask, because I've already committed to not spending what could be a lot of money on a home that I'm likely not going to be a part of in the future. A filter would be able to travel with me, I imagine. The question still stands whether fogging would be of use, if there's an active mold problem that needs physical removal. Dead mold can still be problematic, you've said. I'd like to get an air test done, just to have something on paper.

I don't feel like I've heard much about mold, even after being sick these years, Hoagie. Maybe I've just blocked it out, thinking it's not a problem for me? But, yeah, once it comes into your head, you really see how long-standing a thing it's been: mold and Lyme.

I hate asking so much of someone. I could probably just research my points on my own. Just here, thinking again.

You guys are great. Thanks!

Good luck with your quest, Evanston - not meant to hijack your post. :D
Posted 4/10/2018 7:31 PM (GMT 0)

NotQuiteAntonio said...
That said, ChickenArise, would a person benefit from fogging their home with the appropriate materials and the addition of a high-quality air purifier without actually having remediation take place?...would fogging provide lasting benefits beyond the first few days? I seem to recall you mentioning a plan to fog every three months.

I am benefiting greatly right now as I plan a self remediation. Waking inflammation is a thing of the past(spoke too soon but it was a good run) as I sleep next to the new HEPA fan/filter. Morning eye discharge and irritation is also gone. The Hamilton Beach unit helped but it wasnt enough to make this much of a difference but it did provide the clues needed.

Now in the main room it is a bit of a different story and inflammation still occurs. The unit I have has a good sensor and I can watch it tell me how dirty the air is. It does go from unclean to clean and back again in a random fashion. Likely residual mold from the attic spilling into the living area.

The other 2 machines (Air Pods) should arrive this week. When I get them they will go into different rooms and I will run an additional fan intermittently to try to get any residual mold airborne and in the direction of the unit so the HEPA can suck it all up. I will also turn the attic exhaust fan back on as this seems to lift mold into the air and leave the house with all HEPA units running.

I will rotate them after a few days running nom stop in each room. I plan to mold bomb the attic to try to help prevent new growth, but all that mold has to be filtered still.

If you see mold it should be fogged with Concrobium before disturbing it. Fogging encapsulates and kills the mold. It also prevents regrowth for a while. If the Concrobium cant dry it wont work. I would keep the air system off if I werent planning to fix the problem. Maybe you could get some Concobium in the area that is bad and just fog the heck out of it.

It would be beneficial to get a HEPA filter between you and the air coming out if it. I am sure you could use any replacement filter that would fit over the main duct which empties into your ductwork. Jam it on in there and tape any gaps around the edges as the mold that misses the filter will get caught in the tape.

This should be the difference between you inhaling a million extra spores or two. I would keep the HEPA machine that you have near you and running at all times. If you did invest in a machine able to handle more air you will notice a benefit I am sure. The good news is you could take it with you to wherever you move.

Of course there must be no continuous large amounts of standing water to contend with. If the mold is in drywall this will likely need to be replaced rather than fogged over, but the Concrobium will trap and kill mold for a while.

I hope this helps !

Hoagie, I considered the air testers but I already know there is lots of mold. I have seen 5 different kinds. Maybe when I think the place is clean I will get them and see.
Posted 4/11/2018 1:57 AM (GMT 0)

Evanston1 said...
Does anyone have any experience withremediating mold? Any companies that use natural proven enzymes to eliminate mold versus tearing apart walls to remediate? Thx!

is there drywall on the wall? if so you can drill a small hole, insert the tube from an ozone machine and run the machine all day

i have this machine and it has a program where it runs 10 or 29 minutes per hour automatically turning on and off. it would be perfect for that

drill the hole in the bottom of the wall near the base baord and insert the line there, then stuff plastic around the hole to make it air tight

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K70QDJA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Posted 4/11/2018 2:58 AM (GMT 0)
Air tests are not enough. ERMI will identify toxigenic species that air samples will not and there is a way to use the ERMI results to calculate the HERTSMI-2 score which will give you a far better idea of whether or not your environment is contributing to your symptoms. Identifying the species and quantity of DNA will also enable you or a qualified IA mold inspector to have a better idea of how much mold you are dealing with and where it is likely to be found.

ERMI from Mycometrics is $300 including the lab analysis and report.
Posted 4/11/2018 1:14 PM (GMT 0)
I have waking inflammation today so I placed a strikethrough edit on my previous comment. Lets say I dont regret the HEPA decision though.

I wanted to mention something about the Concrobium and ozone use. The company says the Concrobium layer should last and prevent new mold but we have continued to use ozone and have had to redo the Concrobium every 3 months. The continued to use ozone from time to time may be degrading the layer of Concrobium applied.

So do your ozone first if you are going to use it. But be prepared as it leaves a lot of dust in its wake.

When mold feels threatened it produces smaller sub micron mycotoxins that HEPA may not be able to filter. Even WIFI causes this as Dr. Klinghardt said mold produces up to 600 times the mycotoxins in the presence of WIFI.

We are stopping the use of ozone as we head into the rainy season just this past week. We wish to see if the layer of Concobium lasts longer without the use of ozone.

Ultimately I believe the spores will need to be exhausted or trapped in a HEPA filter. If it were practical to do so use of a HEPA negative air machine in each room while sealing of the others I believe is the optimal way to go.

We are attempting to circumvent this method as it is a bit impractical since we know we are dealing with a whole house contamination, but understand the risk of doing so. It may ultimately prove to be the only way.

Do what you can to contain the contamination to smaller areas that are manageable before you end up dealing with a whole house contamination.

Remember that gravity still applies to these spores although they can become repeatedly airborn. Their goal is to settle, and grow when the conditions are right.

A lot will be learned and shared from our experience as we go. We will see what happens and keep all updated.
Posted 4/11/2018 2:52 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you 🙏
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