Heavy metals help

A recent heavy metals thread here got me to going back to my notes with my previous naturopath. It was noted that heavy metals were inflammation triggers which were found through bioresonance testing. Mercury was found to be in my brain, jaw line, back of neck, spine, liver, gall bladder, and kidney. I did 4 weeks of neural therapy (injections with DMPS) in the jaw, neck, liver, and gall bladder areas and took chloroenergy supplement. Also did a DMPS IV with vitamin C for 4 weeks.

The doctor admitted mercury was very hard to get rid of, but since I did 4 weeks of treatment I just dropped this issue completely and moved on. I also did chelation therapy on my own but not sure the final outcome and if it worked or not (I also read that this could make things worse).

Is this still worth pursuing and what’s the best route to take here to confirm heavy metal levels? This might explain my chronic insomnia.

I'm avoiding that practitioner because of spending $10,000 with them on nearly 25 visits and not seeing a 1% improvement in my insomnia.

I had no reactions whatsoever to any of their treatments including natural supplements, IV therapy, chelation, etc.

But now I want to revisit this. I believe the latest visit I had, mercury was still found on the bioresonance.

I had them all removed by a special dentist.

cppoly said...
I’ve been trying to do as much research I can on detoxing from heavy metals, specifically looking how to remove from the brain (although also important is removing from other areas of the body). Not a lot of places to find information on this.

What I found so far is that provocation testing isn’t a good idea and also trying to remove heavy metals this way isn’t a good idea either.

So far current mercury testing is mostly useless unless you had a recent exposure. But the most promising testing I found is the mercury tri-test by quicksilver since it checks hair, urine, and blood ratios which gives a lot more information and also distinguishes between difference sources of mercury.

Of course this test isn’t available in NY (just my luck). Not sure what to do.

Anyone know any good places for mercury testing and a good place to work with to get rid of heavy metals?

Lots on success on the Andy Cutler Chelation Facebook group.

Warning this is a pretty sharp group and there is no deviation to the ACC protocol.

FB admins are AC zealots. For good reason , chletion done wrong is very dangerous.

I had very bad experience with Dr. K,s parasite protocol and the main stream HM,supplements.

im,suspecting my root issue might be HM toxic and I’m getting my,hair test to see.

Lots,to learn on this if you go down this road.

I am a member of the FDC (frequent dose chelation) group on yahoo. I am indebted to the members and moderators there for helping me sort through all my problems and implement a safe chelation protocol. I have mercury, thallium, and arsenic toxicity and doubt I will be able to treat any infections (I likely have Bartonella) successfully until I am able to lower heavy metal burden significantly. Although, Buhner's protocols seem to help me keep infection(s) under control. The herbs recommended for inflammation have been helpful also.

It is likely if you check into FDC they will recommend getting a Doctor's Data - Hair Elements Test (not the toxic elements test) With those results you can come back to the group and the moderators and others can tell you the likelihood of whether HMs are a major contributing factor to your problems. Just my humble opinion regarding HMs.

I am relatively new to Healing Well and find it to be my source for Lyme and coinfections in addition to Buhner's books. With these two forums and the books of Cutler and Buhner I am finally making my way out of a 35 years bog.

cppoly said...
The more I listen to Chris Shade on youtube, the more and more I do not want to use chelation. He is far ahead of traditional mercury testing and treatment.

Here's a good youtube vid, he's got plenty:
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=20b7y9tTY3E

I've read of stories online, especially those doing Cutler's protocol, of folks getting injured with Chris Shade's Quicksilver products. So hard to know what will safely work.

As I am very sensitive, I have a lot of misgivings about most scary stuff - namely chelation and parasite treatment. Both those areas seem to require elaborate, dangerous protocols that require heavy commitment, and if you screw it up you can pay long term. I tend to dabble in things - get my toe in the water and feel around before wading deeper and jump out when the jellyfish or sharks show up. I'm a weenie.

If you proceed with any of those, please post an update.

Gladioli66 said...
I asked the moderators on FDC about Dr. Shade's protocol. Their abbreviated comments about his protocol were as follows:

Shade does not recognize mercury in the brain, the need to use ALA on the half life. He has expensive proprietary products where the ingredients may not be stated. His testing for the forms of mercury has no value as over time all forms of Hg become Hg++ which is not secreted. His protocol products are very expensive and possibly harmful to those most vulnerable.

You can find success stories for the Cutler protocol here:
http://cutlersuccessstories.weebly.com/

The Cutler protocol is slower but far safer, and the basic chemistry never changes.

Speaking from personal experience and as someone who has SEVERE MCS, the Cutler protocol is safe and not all that complicated. There are only a few hard and fast rules and those rules have to do with dose timing to prevent as much redistribution of mercury as possible when chelating. My suggestion would be join the group, express your concerns, look at the files, etc. It is an active group with a great many really helpful people, just as there are here.
I tried other protocols with fancy packaging and expensive price tags and just became sicker and sicker. The Cutler protocol was the only one I tried that did not make me worse, but definitely do your own investigation before moving forward.

The big thing is, it does not have to be outrageously expensive or harmful. Safety is everything!

Glad to hear Cutler's protocol did not make you feel worse. But did it make you feel better? After how long?

Were you able to tolerate low dose DMSA?

For me, the biggest issue is dosing through the night. That's not going to happen with Lyme. Also, people do this protocol for a year or longer. If I stop sooner, what happens?

WalkingbyFaith said...
Glad to hear Cutler's protocol did not make you feel worse. But did it make you feel better? After how long?

Were you able to tolerate low dose DMSA?

For me, the biggest issue is dosing through the night. That's not going to happen with Lyme. Also, people do this protocol for a year or longer. If I stop sooner, what happens?

Hi WalkingbyFaith,

It is difficult to answer your question. I became seriously ill in 1982, lost my job developed severe MCS, was housebound with a a long list of problems. I was not diagnosed with heavy metal toxicity until 2006. That is a very long time I spent on wrong headed dangerous protocols for all sorts of things I "might have".

So not only was I diagnosed more than 2 decades after my illness started, but did a great many things that only compounded the problem and put me in a much larger hole that I had to dig myself out of. Cutler's protocol gave me stability for the very first time. I am making progress, but it is slow. I am not the norm for those using Cutler's protocol. The sooner one is diagnosed and receives proper treatment, the less damage is done and the shorter the recovery period. The person that started the FDC group on Yahoo, Bryan Rosner, had Lyme.

No one can tell you how long it will take to get better. No one can tell you what your body burden is because once metals are absorbed by certain tissues, glands and organs they are no longer in any measurable body compartment. Chelation challenge tests are dangerous and tell you nothing about body burden.

You asked about DMSA. That is used for mercury and/or lead. I have mercury, arsenic, and thallium. DMSA is not appropriate for arsenic. I take low dose DMPS. It's half life is 8 hours so dosing is q 8. I am a fast metabolizer so must take q 6 hours. Once you add lipoic acid to the regimen, I dose that q 2 hours during the day and q 3 hours at night. This is 3 days on and 3 or more days off. I generally have to take more days off, say 5.

There are numerous people with lyme in our group that do the protocol and receive great benefit, but you do have to commit. One of our moderators could not handle anything but DMPS (because q8 hour dosing) until she was farther along in treatment. She tried to use ALA (which requires q3 dosing) in the beginning, but would wake in the morning and find pills all over the place, so she used DMPS only until she was able to wake for the night time doses required by ALA. ALA is the only chelating agent that is fat soluble and chelates the brain, so you would want to add that eventually.

People do take breaks from chelation from time to time when ill, have surgery, etc.

Keep in mind the first thing to figure out is whether you even have heavy metal toxicity.

Hope this helps answer your questions. More info. can be found at:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/frequent-dose-chelation/info

Gladioli66 said...

Girlie said...
I was just reading some Andy Cutler info online and he mentioned Canada banning mercury amalgams.

That’s not true.

I assume you are aware that Andy Cutler died just over a year ago. I am not certain what "Andy Cutler" info you are referring to and I don't recall this being mentioned on FDC, but if you know this is not true about Canada please try to correct the information out there if you can. NO one needs to be confused by misinformation.

No, I did not know AC died a year ago. I was looking for an assessment for rating heavy metals exposure I had seen a few years ago - I think it was Klinghardt’s. Couldn’t find it - but ended up reading other info on mercury amalgams and read that about Canada.
I doubt if I’d be able to find it again.
It’s possible that it was an article not written by AC but someone else talking about his protocol/method... etc

Gladioli66 and delisa,

Thank you so much for that valuable, detailed information.

So I guess before I dabble in any kind of chelation, the first step is getting a Doctor's Data - Hair Elements Test.

I'm 48 and had amalgams since late childhood. I just had them all replaced this summer. From that, I'm pretty sure I should have mercury. I did have elevated arsenic on a blood test. I believe that's from the Natural Calm magnesium I take massive daily amounts of. Some consumer 3rd party testing site (Consumer Lab, I think) reported it had elevated levels of arsenic.

Anyone doing the Cutler protocol i HIGHLY recommend using DMPS instead of DMSA

studies show DMPS penetrates into the cells where mercury like to hide. DMSA does not do this and willl only chelate surface mercury.

You need script but its REALLY worth it. Also DMPS has a 9 hour half life so no need to do that waking up in the middle of the night nonsense.

Somebody said...


DMSA's main disadvantage is that it is unable to cross cell membranes and so can only reach its target heavy metal in the extracellular regions. This means that DMSA has to be administered shortly after metal poisoning before the heavy metals start to penetrate cells.

/link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40495-016-0068-8

WalkingbyFaith said...
Lapis,

Thanks for that valuable tidbit. Need a Rx. Hope I can get one.

Can you get low dose Rx? That's one of the big disadvantages of Rx - one size fits all plus all kinds of toxic fillers.

DMPS is usually bought from a compounding pharmacy, as such they will usually be willing to make the tablets whatever size you like.

10 mg is a good size to start out with.

10mg might be OK for someone who is not very toxic, but for those of us that are it would be much too high a starting dose. I started with 1mg. Better to start with a low dose and see how one reacts. This was my personal experience as well as many others on FDC.

Here is another website with more info. on ACC and obtaining chelators:

https://www.livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetwork/chelation-the-andy-cutler-protocol/

Lapis_29 said...

WalkingbyFaith said...
Lapis,

Thanks for that valuable tidbit. Need a Rx. Hope I can get one.

Can you get low dose Rx? That's one of the big disadvantages of Rx - one size fits all plus all kinds of toxic fillers.

DMPS is usually bought from a compounding pharmacy, as such they will usually be willing to make the tablets whatever size you like.

10 mg is a good size to start out with.