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Posted 2/27/2019 8:17 PM (GMT 0)
Does anyone have abnormally high or low white blood cells? Do you keep track? Do you think it's significant? I noticed mine have gone down from the top half of the range to the bottom half in a few months.
Posted 2/27/2019 8:33 PM (GMT 0)
Ive made many detailed informative posts on this topic from last summer to last fall, its to much info to repeat. Use our goggle to find them. Some are titled "immune" since white blood cells are your immune system.

CD57 is a group of white blood cells. Most lymies with low white blood cells will have low CD 57 and its subclasses. Some will have this even after lyme is "gone" - proof it damages your immune cells, or the growth of them. Without proper immune cells, hope you never get cancer.

Some cancer drugs actually elevate T immune cells too, something well known Lyme Drs should ponder but for some reason dont (?).

My white cell count and certain sub classes are still low, red blood cells have always been fine.
Posted 2/27/2019 9:00 PM (GMT 0)
I used to panic when I would see red and white blood cells get real low. Had two bone marrow biopsies over 6 years because doctors don't get Lyme and were looking for the "bad stuff." Obviously, it wasn't what they were thinking but Lyme/ co-infections.

Recently they dropped low again. For example, hematocrit went to 32.3 with low being 37.5. Hemoglobin was also low, along with WBC, RBC, platelets, etc... Results from 5 days ago show hematorcit at 39.4. Hemoglobin at 39.4 (up 4 points), WBC is at 3.4 (low normal) and RBC at 4.14 (low normal). It happens, for whatever reason. Tests involving red and whites are two of the only tests that can be out of range and not worry me.

That's just me after going through it over and over. Trying to get that way with all tests.
Posted 2/27/2019 9:22 PM (GMT 0)
running wild, you may want to check ferritin too with low hemoglobin and hematocrit
Posted 2/27/2019 9:35 PM (GMT 0)
My WBC count results were 7.7 when I first started getting sick five years ago, and 3.7 when I tested again earlier this month (standard range 3.7 - 11.1).

Still trying to figure out if I actually have Lyme and/or co-infections. I also have low Neutrophils and higher Lymphocytes, not sure how that ties into anything yet.
Posted 2/27/2019 9:52 PM (GMT 0)
Dmitry - You need to be a doctor. Just looked at my blood test order and it has ferritin, iron and IBC (iron binding) on it.

Don't know what's what anymore.
Posted 2/27/2019 9:52 PM (GMT 0)
Yes mine have gone down to the 2.- range. However now that I am pulsing antibiotics and doing some immune boosting things, it has gone up to 5.6 recently.
Posted 2/27/2019 9:53 PM (GMT 0)
CamFortyFive -

higher Lymphocytes

- interesting since the cd57 group consists of that. Get cd57 tested? - most do. Lyme usually loweres lymphocytes.
Posted 2/27/2019 10:42 PM (GMT 0)

running wild said...
Dmitry - You need to be a doctor. Just looked at my blood test order and it has ferritin, iron and IBC (iron binding) on it. Don't know what's what anymore.

;) https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-11-185
Posted 2/27/2019 11:25 PM (GMT 0)
Yes absolutely. Have been on long term antibiotics for 5.5 years and my count has gone as low as 2.1 and as high as 3.7. Normal range is 4 to 11. I test monthly and have done so since becoming sick. People have suggested that it's the antibiotics that are lowering my WBC counts but my experience has proven otherwise. The two times I was on 4 antibiotics simultaneously is when my WBC actually shot up. This indicates to me that the antibiotics are doing the job they were designed to do, namely reduce bacterial loads.
Posted 2/28/2019 1:23 AM (GMT 0)

Sheekster said...
Yes mine have gone down to the 2.- range. However now that I am pulsing antibiotics and doing some immune boosting things, it has gone up to 5.6 recently.

When on abx, mine are typically in the 3's.

At one point mine dropped to 2.4 I think was the lowest. I went to my reg. Dr. and asked her if I need to wear a mask out in public...and she said no - not until it goes well below 2.

When I'm off abx - for longer than a couple of weeks, it goes up to 4.0 which is low end of the range.

I was told that the abx are suppressing the immune system some.
Posted 2/28/2019 5:57 AM (GMT 0)
Yes. Very true Girlie. It's amazing to see routine blood tests, which show that pulsing antibiotics is so much better for your immune system. I never hit 5.6 until I started seeing JSC. Last test I think I was in the low 4.- range while on abx. Current test is pending...
Posted 2/28/2019 9:43 PM (GMT 0)
Mine have dropped from middle normal down to the 3’s.
Posted 2/28/2019 10:34 PM (GMT 0)
Mine would often drop to 1.4 and thereabouts with antibiotic treatment. My neutrophils at their lowest were .7 I believe. If you struggle with low WBC shark liver oil, oceana brand will bring it up. I would take four a day when in the thick of treatment. It does help.
Posted 2/28/2019 10:50 PM (GMT 0)

ChickNorris said...
Mine would often drop to 1.4 and thereabouts with antibiotic treatment. My neutrophils at their lowest were .7 I believe. If you struggle with low WBC shark liver oil, oceana brand will bring it up. I would take four a day when in the thick of treatment. It does help.

Is fish oil supposed to raise WBC? I haven’t taken shark liver oil, but I have been on high dose EPA/DHA fish oil for over 2.5 years. My WBC has dropped over this time.
Posted 2/28/2019 11:06 PM (GMT 0)
Not sure about lowering white blood cells, but I've noticed my platelet count has struggled since taking Omega 3 supplement. Maybe coincidence. Thinking about stopping them for a while to see what happens.
Posted 3/1/2019 5:17 AM (GMT 0)
Hmm I'm not sure if I'm going on antibiotics but I hope it won't affect them greatly, are there any symptoms that come with low WBC other than probably susceptibility to colds and such? Does it cause fatigue or worsening of symptoms? Not trying to worry ahead of time or anything...
Posted 3/1/2019 6:25 AM (GMT 0)

jb1994 said...
Hmm I'm not sure if I'm going on antibiotics but I hope it won't affect them greatly, are there any symptoms that come with low WBC other than probably susceptibility to colds and such? Does it cause fatigue or worsening of symptoms? Not trying to worry ahead of time or anything...

I’ve not had any symptoms from my wbc being below range.
When it goes really low - then you need to wear a mask in public .
My doc said not until you’re well under 2

I think I’ve only had one cold virus in the past 4 1/2 years that my wbc count has been below the bottom end of range (4.0)
Not had the flu tho.
Posted 3/1/2019 9:16 PM (GMT 0)

WalkingbyFaith said...

ChickNorris said...
Mine would often drop to 1.4 and thereabouts with antibiotic treatment. My neutrophils at their lowest were .7 I believe. If you struggle with low WBC shark liver oil, oceana brand will bring it up. I would take four a day when in the thick of treatment. It does help.

Is fish oil supposed to raise WBC? I haven’t taken shark liver oil, but I have been on high dose EPA/DHA fish oil for over 2.5 years. My WBC has dropped over this time.

No, fish oil won’t raise them. It’s specifically shark liver oil. Oceana brand contains two beneficial components, it’s by far the best brand of shark liver oil. If I would forget to take it or not take as much as I was supposed to, it would reflect in my weekly labs. It really is a wonder.
Posted 3/1/2019 9:20 PM (GMT 0)

jb1994 said...
Hmm I'm not sure if I'm going on antibiotics but I hope it won't affect them greatly, are there any symptoms that come with low WBC other than probably susceptibility to colds and such? Does it cause fatigue or worsening of symptoms? Not trying to worry ahead of time or anything...

For me, I would get worse herxes when my wbc was very low. But the side effect of very low wbcs is quite rare, most people don’t have the same reaction to antibiotics. If you are getting regular labs from your doc while in treatment, it will be caught before it becomes a problem. And there’s lots of supplements that can help too.
Posted 3/2/2019 1:34 AM (GMT 0)
Anyone interested in improving WBC count needs to figure out what class(es) of these cells are the problem, as there are many. So you would need more tests not just WBC count. Different supplements compliment these different areas.

On that note WBC count is the level, volume or amount, which is not the same as strength (this is a good thing for some)..
Posted 3/2/2019 3:29 AM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
Anyone interested in improving WBC count needs to figure out what class(es) of these cells are the problem, as there are many. So you would need more tests not just WBC count. Different supplements compliment these different areas.

On that note WBC count is the level, volume or amount, which is not the same as strength (this is a good thing for some)..

For me it’s just going off the abx and my wbc count goes into range.
Posted 3/2/2019 4:33 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...

astroman said...
Anyone interested in improving WBC count needs to figure out what class(es) of these cells are the problem, as there are many. So you would need more tests not just WBC count. Different supplements compliment these different areas.

On that note WBC count is the level, volume or amount, which is not the same as strength (this is a good thing for some)..

For me it’s just going off the abx and my wbc count goes into range.

Your lucky, thus....don't count ....ha ha! Your situation is at least normal, as its proven that WBC count is usually decreased during antibiotic use.

There was some supplements mentioned, so I was referring to that for any one reading this who might be wondering. I take specific T cell supplements.
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