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Posted 3/26/2019 11:59 AM (GMT 0)
I’m dealing with a new bout of insomnia that has me quite perplexed.

I’m hoping it will resolve itself and I’m not particularly stressed about it as I’m coping ok but I’m truly perplexed. Any experiences or insights appreciated.

Post Edited (sandyfeet) : 2/19/2022 5:23:10 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 3/26/2019 2:24 PM (GMT 0)
This just popped into my head - do you perhaps live where 5g is being rolled out?

Could you be emf sensitive?

My insomnia has been really bad for a few weeks. I’ve wondered about hormones, parasites, emf, etc. Benadryl with liposomal melatonin where helping some. We are on vacation now and I’m maybe getting 2-3 hours of sleep - still broken up. Stress always messes my sleep up too.
Posted 3/26/2019 2:26 PM (GMT 0)
there is no such thing as 5G, it was all a marketing scam, its the same as 4G so thats not it.
Posted 3/26/2019 2:31 PM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...
there is no such thing as 5G, it was all a marketing scam, its the same as 4G so thats not it.

Really?

Sandyfeet- another thing i’ve noticed for me is I can’t have caffeine past 11 am now. That means no chocolate too. Have you been eating anything new?
Posted 3/26/2019 2:36 PM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...
there is no such thing as 5G, it was all a marketing scam, its the same as 4G so thats not it.

Where did you get that info?

As far as we know here in Canada 5G is coming
Posted 3/26/2019 2:44 PM (GMT 0)
I actually restarted lions mane about a month ago. So maybe that is it. Two months seems way too long though.

Have you tried extra liver support (nac or lip glutathione, ala, etc?).

Playing insomnia detective is no fun!
Posted 3/26/2019 3:31 PM (GMT 0)
What has helped me is adding inositol and lots of magnesium (during the day) in addition to my bedtime tryptophan and melatonin.
Posted 3/26/2019 3:35 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...

Lapis_29 said...
there is no such thing as 5G, it was all a marketing scam, its the same as 4G so thats not it.

Where did you get that info?

As far as we know here in Canada 5G is coming

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ATT claimed it had 5G roll out, that turned out to be total BS

so far NO 5G is happening, it won't roll out till next month and then only in limited areas, so right now no one is being affected by 5G

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/5g-release-date,review-5063.html

And if you are worried about it, watch what happens in the small areas it gets rolled out in. Likely nothing.
Posted 3/26/2019 9:01 PM (GMT 0)
5G is in my area and my insomnia reared its head lately too, so I have to wonder. It says right on my phone that it's using 5G so I know we have it.

Just some thoughts from my experience...
- ashwagandha am and pm
could you try taking it only in AM? PM affected my sleep too
- various sleep stacks (melatonin, valerian, poppy, passionflower, theanine - I’ve tried many others in the past including holy basil as I suspected cortisol)
Is it possible you're suffering from too low cortisol? This also messed up my sleep

You might just have really powerful insomnia like me that's just now starting to act up for "reasons". Symptoms flare and we don't know why.
Posted 3/27/2019 12:45 AM (GMT 0)
I still have low cortisol but it's normal at night. I tried supplementing with hydrocortisone but that made it worse, I think it told my body to just make less.
Posted 3/27/2019 1:08 AM (GMT 0)
I’ve taken lions mane in past too but I don’t know if it was an issue. I try way too many things at once.

I’ve noticed a few times when I cheat and have something sweet (like gluten free cheesecake) I will actually sleep good! I wonder if there is a glycine component sometimes. Doesn’t always work though.
Posted 3/27/2019 1:41 AM (GMT 0)
This happened to me when my CBS mutation switched on, stopping high sulphur foods and supplements was the solution. At its worst I was only able to sleep 2 hours a day, knocking myself out with meds did not make me feel any more rested.
Posted 3/27/2019 10:54 AM (GMT 0)
As 'luck' would have it, I got 5 hours sleep last night after taking more knotweed than usual. I checked the constituents and sulphur is one. 🤔
Posted 3/27/2019 9:24 PM (GMT 0)
Have you tried Calcium Magnesium Zinc? They sell them in one supplement. I've read deficiencies in all those, or if you have a high copper to zinc ratio, can mess up sleep. I just got some.
Posted 3/30/2019 7:35 PM (GMT 0)
Hi sandyfeet,
I have no advice what so ever unfortunately but I just wanted to say-the way you describe your sleep is exactly the same as the way I feel -I wake up feeling like I havnt slept a wink but I have the energy to get through the day - (this actually scared me for a bit because I thought my body had lost the ability to feel tired which was a totally irrational sleep deprived thing to think ) in reality I think I must be getting something it just doesn’t feel like it.. I but it is nothing like the way I have felt previously with no sleep so I know at the very least I’m getting better I think your right with the brain fog theory .. for me for the last couple of weeks it seems to last aprox 4/5 days of terrible nights and then I have 2 nights of decent sleep like you I have tried everything but with no luck - I’m not sure what it is, with herxing I have had luck with lorithaine and magnesium when it has been an amonia issue but that’s not working at all -this insomnia baffles me too - I am thinking maybe hormone related .. but I just can’t pin point it - I look forward to the day when it has gradually eased away it’s getting closer but jeez it’s hard !
Posted 3/30/2019 7:58 PM (GMT 0)
When i was battling sleep issues.........and found something that worked, it was only for a month or so and then needed to change it. I put what worked on rotation.

I guess i spent $300 on nat sups and rx's to find what worked. For me it was really about total all body stress- its effects on the adrenal and thyroid hormones and getting the circadian rhythm back to 180 from where it went.

Also, Not being broke or shelling out the big bucks helps me sleep today. - less financial stress, untill something spendy brakes when i need it most.
Posted 3/31/2019 3:12 AM (GMT 0)

sandyfeet said...


It is such a pain going through so many supplements to find 'the one!' only to have to rotate later on. I can never decide whether to chuck the sups that don't work or keep a junk drawer full of options for later. I hate having a junk drawer full of 'maybe' things. Just one more thing to look forward to in remission some day.

I have a plastic bag full of old supplements in my pantry.
Plus I have a shelf in that pantry with supplements that aren’t opened yet - that are part of my current protocol - and will put into use when I use up the ones on my kitchen counter.

I need something for my kitchen counter - like a turntable - but it needs to be two tiered as I have so many bottles.

Actually I need two turntables because my husband has about 15-20 bottles of his supplements on our microwave.

This one I found online just doesn’t hold enough. Maybe I need two - or I guess four (to include my husbands stash)

https://mdesignhomedecor.com/2-tier-plastic-kitchen-lazy-susan-turntable-storage-b/
Posted 3/31/2019 4:01 PM (GMT 0)
sandyfeet,

I have no advice on insomnia, but I did remember reading that lion’s mane can cause a herx: https://www.beneficialbotanicals.com/store/lions-mane-tincture-p88843999. The statement here is different from the one I saw a couple of years ago. Previously it said that lion’s mane crosses the blood brain barrier and can dump spirochetes and cause a herx. Maybe that theory was incorrect and they changed it. Anyway, if it has antimicrobial properties (and a lot of herbs do) and it crosses the BBB, I wonder if it could affect not only borrelia but coinfections as well.

Anyway, poiint is if the insomnia returned after starting the lions mane, your initial hunch may be right.

Testing things out can be troublesome, though, at least they have been for me. When I start something new and suspect it’s causing a herx of some sort and stop it, sometimes the new or returned symptoms slowly get better only to return after a few days or week or so. It’s like it opens up a can of worms and then I’m darned if I do and darned if I don’t. Maybe that’s just me. I don’t think most people are like that.
Posted 3/31/2019 5:26 PM (GMT 0)
Sandy - you mentioned frozen GF bread.

Have you seen or tried this?:

https://canyonglutenfree.com/buy-gluten-free-bread-products/

I think its a newer brand. My taste buds like this more than the others, no need to freeze either.

Target has it and of course some Walmarts where its another $1-2 less.

Post Edited (astroman) : 3/31/2019 11:29:32 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/31/2019 6:59 PM (GMT 0)
Boy has gf foods come a long way!

My son was diagnosed about 11 years ago and I had to drive 30 miles to get a decent GF bread.

And we had one restaurant that had gf pasta.

So much better now
Posted 3/31/2019 7:04 PM (GMT 0)
“Lol Girlie. I guess you don’t use the microwave often.”

Yes we do use it - well mostly hubby does - me not so much.

He doesn’t remove his stash from the top of the micro when he uses it.

You think his supplements are getting radiated? 😳
Posted 3/31/2019 7:50 PM (GMT 0)

sandyfeet said...
I thought you meant he kept them in the microwave ;D I read that wrong this morning.

lol.

Well, that would be a good place to hide them all, wouldn't it?

i have so much clutter in my kitchen....I need to get on it. It doesn't help that hubby couldn't care less about clutter...so getting him 'on board' is a herculean endeavor.
I go to discard an old supplement from 1998 and he's all over me..."Wait!...What is it? I could still use it..."

Um - no you can't....it's got no use after that amount of time.

We owned a health food store several years ago...well many years ago. And when supplements expired they went into a basket for $1.00. There was one bottle of ginger - it was about 4 years past expiration. I decided to open up a capsule and take a lick....nothing...no taste whatsoever.

They definitely lose potency.
Posted 4/1/2019 6:02 AM (GMT 0)

sandyfeet said...
Interesting Girlie! I had no idea you had that background.

I admit I usually toss the supplements I don’t find useful otherwise the frugal side of me insists I take it all to get my money’s worth which can’t be good for me.

I’m the only one who sees the clutter in the house. I sometimes dream of building one of those she-sheds/tiny homes out back so I can retreat to my own little world or better yet a converted mini-bus to drive across country clutter free.

I hate the clutter so much I’ve often thought about those tiny houses - where there’s no room for the junk!

When I get rid of the junk and organize the rest of the stuff I find it clears my head.
Posted 4/1/2019 8:43 PM (GMT 0)
Sandyfeet - have you tried glycine for sleep? I just ordered it since it is one thing I haven’t tried.

Recently heard that glyphosate may displace glycine which can lead to deficiency. I eat organic but all my neighbors put roundup in yards so I know I’m still exposed.

https://selfhacked.com/blog/glycine-little-protein/
Posted 4/1/2019 11:11 PM (GMT 0)
Ok, you really have tried a lot!

How about magnolia bark? That is one supplement Bob Miller (genetics guru) has me take. Works on and off.
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