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Posted 5/9/2019 5:15 PM (GMT 0)
For lowering the cytokine cascade? And if so did you notice any improvements pretty quickly?

Marty Ross mentions this on his website and says its an absolute must which I found interesting because I haven't came across this at all in Buhner's books.
Posted 5/9/2019 6:24 PM (GMT 0)

cppoly said...
For lowering the cytokine cascade? And if so did you notice any improvements pretty quickly?

Marty Ross mentions this on his website and says its an absolute must which I found interesting because I haven't came across this at all in Buhner's books.

Ive tried many versions of this ($$, most said they were the best lol), and they never did anything noticable for pain in my case. Maybe worked for other inflamation that I could not feel?

Would have to lab test that if you cant feel it. Ive only measeured cytokins with individual foods. A complete body cyto panel would be interesting but I dont remember anyone mentioning that here, ( I didnt HW goggle it yet though).
Posted 5/9/2019 6:32 PM (GMT 0)
I like CytoQuel fir during my herxes. I only took turmeric for a short time but didn’t see to much of a benefit.
Posted 5/9/2019 8:47 PM (GMT 0)
i tried curcumin - a few years ago...when the bottle was empty I didn't buy anymore...didn't do anything for me.

Then more recently I started taking Quercetin...and it seems to be helping...hard to tell 100% though because my symptoms always have waxed and waned...in addition I am pulsing meds...so it becomes one big slurry mess.

Last appt. with Dr. J - he told me to take Curcumin and Quercetin. I told him I may try the curcumin again.
Posted 5/9/2019 9:47 PM (GMT 0)
I have taken two full bottles of it almost, 3 caps a day, with turmeric and piperine added and everything. No effects from it. I do question its anti-inflammatory qualities because my legs and joints have only gotten worse in the past month. My doc said I could discontinue it since it doesn't seem to do anything.

edit: I will have been on it about 4 months after this bottle is empty
Posted 5/9/2019 11:54 PM (GMT 0)
I took Jarrow brand Curcumin 95 for a couple years. This year after starting to treat parasites and looking through my stool, I discovered orange capsules pretty much undissolved. It matched the color of my curcumin capsules. Wasn’t a fluke. I saw them repeatedly. I figured I was wasting my money and stopped taking it.

There are probably better brands that are better absorbed. I was advised to avoid ones with piperine (black pepper) as black pepper is reportedly contaminated with mold toxins.

I don’t recall feeling worse after I stopped taking them. I was taking fish oil at the time I started taking it, so couldn’t say how beneficial the curcumin itself was.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 5/9/2019 5:57:01 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/10/2019 12:18 AM (GMT 0)
WbF - They should be dissolving before they leave your stomach....Do you know if they were veggie vs gelatin caps?
I'm wondering if one is more difficult to break down.
Posted 5/10/2019 12:52 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
WbF - They should be dissolving before they leave your stomach....Do you know if they were veggie vs gelatin caps?
I'm wondering if one is more difficult to break down.

I just looked at the Jarrow website and it says veggie caps. What I have seen in my stool is basically a hard, dry remnant of about 70% of the capsules.
Posted 5/10/2019 4:43 AM (GMT 0)
i heard it had to be mixed with pepper or something for consumption and in large doses may have antiprotozoan properties. didnt seem to phase giardia but helped quell subsequent inflammation.

now i may have had one of the few docs willing to try the compounded intravenous curcumin ...it looks like curry and actually stains the line yellow ...i wanted to try after reading about a romainian gal who had vasculitis bad with lyme and did hbot and curcumin and it resolved . after my bactrim sjs episode it was like aloe on a bodywide burn .::i actually felt my enlarged heart go down in swelling it fit in my chest again ...now while back a lady in another clinic died from iv curcumin but its suspected she may have had a unknown protozoan or cancer infection that the dieoff was too great . i had barely treated babs when tried a handful of ivs fwiw
Posted 5/10/2019 4:54 AM (GMT 0)
Curcumin didn’t seem to help me. I might not have taken high enough dose or long enough. What does help me though is Resveratrol. I ran out of it one time and it took a while to come in and my pain got so much worse. All my joints were hurting so bad. Once I started taking it again, after a few days the pain subsided. After that I make sure I don’t run out. I take 4 pills a day but am thinking of taking more to see if I’ll get more pain relief.
Posted 5/10/2019 11:20 AM (GMT 0)
Well, I'd say I had luck with curcumin.
A few months ago I tried taking cholestyramine, and it was absolutely impossible, it caused such horrifying symptoms, I felt it would kill me.
This was after taking fish oil for a while as per Shoemaker protocol, but later I read that not every fish oil is the same, it may be oxidized and cause more harm than good.
Anyway, I started curcumin extract with black pepper, 4500mg a day, with meals. After maybe a month, I was able to slowly start cholestyramine again, really tiniest amounts every other day, or twice a week. I can now take a normal 4g dose daily, but I only take it once a day - I guess I could do more, but I don't want to because it's constipating (this comes from someone who's never constipated).
I cannot tell whether I am able to take cholestyramine because my mycotoxin levels dropped due to no exposure or solely because of curcumin, anyway I found it helpful, and am still taking it.
Posted 5/10/2019 1:39 PM (GMT 0)

Zimica said...
Well, I'd say I had luck with curcumin.
A few months ago I tried taking cholestyramine, and it was absolutely impossible, it caused such horrifying symptoms, I felt it would kill me.
This was after taking fish oil for a while as per Shoemaker protocol, but later I read that not every fish oil is the same, it may be oxidized and cause more harm than good.
Anyway, I started curcumin extract with black pepper, 4500mg a day, with meals. After maybe a month, I was able to slowly start cholestyramine again, really tiniest amounts every other day, or twice a week. I can now take a normal 4g dose daily, but I only take it once a day - I guess I could do more, but I don't want to because it's constipating (this comes from someone who's never constipated).
I cannot tell whether I am able to take cholestyramine because my mycotoxin levels dropped due to no exposure or solely because of curcumin, anyway I found it helpful, and am still taking it.

Zimica,
I had the same horrifying symptoms and thought I was going to die, too when I took cholestyramine. Glad you are able to take it now at a tolerable rate. I have not been able to get in a safe enough environment to be comfortable with the possibility of taking it again.
Posted 5/10/2019 8:46 PM (GMT 0)
Interesting Sandy. Nope my doctor hasn't mentioned cytokines. I'm just trying to get an idea of all the possible things hindering progress at this point to see whatever makes the most sense.

I heard about histamines having an effect on sleep too. Would just buying an anti-histamine like benadryl test out that theory really quickly?
Posted 5/11/2019 1:41 AM (GMT 0)
The problem with OTC antihistamines such as Benadryl is that they only target H1 and H2 receptors and in histamine intolerance it's often H3 and H4 receptors that are affected.
Posted 5/11/2019 7:33 PM (GMT 0)
No worries Sandy! Actually that is interesting what JP is saying about antihistamines and I would like to know if benadryl doesn't work then what would be recommended.
Posted 5/11/2019 10:08 PM (GMT 0)

Zimica said...
Well, I'd say I had luck with curcumin.
.................. I started curcumin extract with black pepper, 4500mg a day, with meals. After maybe a month, I was able to slowly start cholestyramine again, really tiniest amounts every other day, or twice a week. I can now take a normal 4g dose daily, but I only take it once a day

4500mg is a lot. Was this a higher dose brand?

My Solger Curcumin was only 40mg per gel cap lol, and 30 per bottle for at least $20.
Posted 5/11/2019 10:15 PM (GMT 0)
I tried Boswellia and Bromiline again to, they were costly and did nothing that I could tell. I was looking for muscle ache reliefe after more intense workouts.

Tried Solger 7, another $20 something bottle with quite an array of anti-inflammatory herbs in it, but no pain relief results.

Now a better Boswellia with same results..........nothing.

So far for me, nothing beats topical DMSO over arnica or epsome gel - but this takes application and dry time.
Posted 5/11/2019 11:36 PM (GMT 0)
My curcumin is 500 mg per cap

I think I was taking 2 caps twice daily - so 2,000 mg daily
Posted 5/12/2019 1:01 AM (GMT 0)
Sandyfeet and cppoly - I was prescribed ketotifen which I think might work on the other ones but as far as I know there aren't any that target those unfortunately. Ketotifen comes with its own list of side effects though.

And yeah the zinc copper thing is tricky. I remember reading copper helped DAO but then I read the opposite, and that zinc helped. Anyway, I think it's rare to have a copper deficiency, usually it's the other way around.
Posted 5/12/2019 8:08 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...


4500mg is a lot. Was this a higher dose brand?

My Solger Curcumin was only 40mg per gel cap lol, and 30 per bottle for at least $20.

Oops oops, my bad! Thanks for asking, I confused this for a different supplement!
So I checked the box, it says 600mg per capsule, at first I'd take 2 capsules with every meal = 6 x 600mg = 3600mg
Then I'd take 2 caps with only lunch and dinner, but if I am honest, I'd often take more than two, I thought it's turmeric, what the heck. I really just wanted to get started with cholestyramine.
Maybe 2 caps twice a day would be enough, and a wiser thing to do.

This is the brand https://www.amazon.co.uk/nu-nutrition-turmeric-curcumin-capsules/dp/b01d8qci2u/ref=sr_1_3?adgrpid=56971354201&gclid=cjwkcajwin_mbrbbeiwa9n-e_vmunuaiyhaodswbw-mjkvxr7ixsqdy7igfwj8sxinjqgzn-ghpsnxoc_iiqavd_bwe&hvadid=259097079724&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9045941&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=10790608177101226250&hvtargid=kwd-441929600804&hydadcr=5283_1762559&keywords=nu+u+curcumin&qid=1557691419&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Posted 5/12/2019 8:45 PM (GMT 0)

Zimica said...

astroman said...


4500mg is a lot. Was this a higher dose brand?

My Solger Curcumin was only 40mg per gel cap lol, and 30 per bottle for at least $20.

"....Oops oops, my bad! Thanks for asking, I confused this for a different supplement!
So I checked the box, it says 600mg per capsule, at first I'd take 2 capsules with every meal = 6 x 600mg = 3600mg
Then I'd take 2 caps with only lunch and dinner, but if I am honest, I'd often take more than two, I thought it's turmeric, what the heck. I really just wanted to get started with cholestyramine.
Maybe 2 caps twice a day would be enough, and a wiser thing to do.

This is the brand https://www.amazon.co.uk/nu-nutrition-turmeric-curcumin-capsules/dp/b01d8qci2u/ref=sr_1_3?adgrpid=56971354201&gclid=cjwkcajwin_mbrbbeiwa9n-e_vmunuaiyhaodswbw-mjkvxr7ixsqdy7igfwj8sxinjqgzn-ghpsnxoc_iiqavd_bwe&hvadid=259097079724&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9045941&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=e&hvrand=10790608177101226250&hvtargid=kwd-441929600804&hydadcr=5283_1762559&keywords=nu+u+curcumin&qid=1557691419&s=gateway&sr=8-3

......."

3600 mg is still a lot compared to some other brands, but - there is so much difference per brands(!!)

I suppose it might depend on if its pure curcumin extract or the more whole turmeric.
Posted 5/13/2019 2:15 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, you may want to look into the absorption of your turmeric. For example, a form that is hydro-soluble absorbs better.
Posted 5/13/2019 3:30 PM (GMT 0)
I'd like to throw my hat in the ring for inositol as a mast cell stabalizer/antihistamine as well. Thats been the best one for me. Dr M and Buhner both recommend that as well as quercetin. Also, Dr M uses Xyzal as an H1 blocker and Loradtidine as an H2 blocker. I don't know that any H3 or H4 blockers currently exist
Posted 5/13/2019 5:17 PM (GMT 0)
I’ve been trying this brand of liposomal curcumin. I like their colostrum too. I’ve only been taking 1 cap a day, too soon to report results. 500 mg per cap.

https://www.sovereignlaboratories.com/product/curcumin-ld60.html
Posted 5/14/2019 1:49 AM (GMT 0)
No H3 or H4 blockers exist as far as I know, Aerose
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