Fatigue, Low-Grade Fever Suddenly Worse

I might have mentioned this before, but for serious chronic viruses, what my medical folks usually recommend is transfer factor. For EBV, the Researched Nutritionals PlasMyc contains antibodies for EBV. (They also make some transfer factor formulas for Lyme and co-infections.) Sadly I don't know how these interact with kidneys. Transfer factors can induce a fever for the first week or so, but they are supposed to work really well. Just an idea for you.

I am so very sorry that this symptom cluster continues to plague you!

Have you done an ERMI or HERTSMI-2 on your house or had a urine mycotoxin test from Great Plains or Realtime Labs?

My last labs done in May were not good. My CD57 plummeted to an all time low of 35 after having increased to 86 a year ago. I finally coughed up the money and did another HERTSMI-2 on the relative’s house I have been living in. HERTSMI-2 was a whopping 18. When I tested 2.5 years ago after moving there, it was as 4.

There had been a couple of known leaks or water incidences in the past year or so that supposedly were fixed. I felt like my mom and I had both been worse since around December, and I needed to know if it was the mold in the house getting worse, or if I was just getting worse.

It’s safe to say it’s the mold.

Less than 10 is “statistically safe” for those with CIRS, but 10 was not safe for me. From 11-15, they say clean and retest. Over 15 they say is dangerous and unsafe for entry.

I had the Great Plains MycoTox test done, too. At least my insurance covered it. My ochratoxin A was at the top end of normal range. Gliotoxin was high. Both of those can be from aspergillus spp. (The asper/pen on the HERTSMI-2 went from 90 to 970. Should be less than 10.). Zearalenone mycotoxin from Fusarium was sky high at 111 (range .5 - 10). The HERTSMI-2 doesn’t include Fusarium, though.

Yesterday, the relative discovered a leak under the kitchen sink. I’m sure it’s been going on a while, because I had been noticing a lot of symptoms every time I was in the kitchen or sitting at the table nearby. That’s been months now.

Some molds/mycotoxins can cause fevers. Some are nephrotoxic (toxic to the kidneys), also liver, brain, other organs, as well as immunosuppressive.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 7/10/2019 5:42:00 PM (GMT-6)

l lysine helps. i have tried on my kids. takuna from cowden works well for any viruses. EO is most powerful if you want to try and no ingestion.

Thanks for responses. Much appreciated.

Because of kidneys, there are limitations on what I can take for EBV. I do take Lysine, but cannot use more than 500 mg a day. Studies have shown doses at 600 or higher cause problems with those with kidney disease. If I remember correctly, seems a much higher dose is needed daily to help. Think, as sandyfeet mentions, Traveler was on real high doses.

lookahead - what is EO? Maybe my head is not thinking.

girlie - you are right about Acyclovir. It impacts kidney also. So frustrated with that aspect as GFR was up to 63 a month ago and test from last week has it back down to 50. Not sure why. Maybe I started eating too much protein.

Have started back on Microbinate, which has monolaurin and olive leaf extract in it along with few others. Don't really know what to do, and I don't think naturopath does either. All thoughts are appreciated. Getting overwhelmed with restrictions.

Below is my own experimented cocktail powerful enough to kick any virus in single day. tried on me, kids and wife. No virus/most bacteria/possibly parasites can stand a chance against below. only apply on feet, each feet 15 minute daily basis or every other day. This oils are so strong it will burn skin it applied anywhere else. Garlic will sure burn eyes. DO NOT INGEST ANY ESSENTIAL OIL.

Coconut oil
Garlic oil
thyme oil
cinnamon bark oil
Ajwain oil
clove oil.

+ - eucalyptus oil (to clear respiratory)
Will post you mix up and links to buy if interested.

Post Edited (lookahead22) : 7/11/2019 1:39:14 PM (GMT-6)

running wild said...
lookahead - thanks for the information on how you treated family. That is quite a mix, and you must have put a lot of thought into it.

I know there would be no problem for the kidney situation I have with garlic, coconut oil and thyme oil. I'm looking up information on the others in the mix. There is so much conflicting information out there about what is good for kidneys and what is not, so I'm researching a lot tonight. The kidneys have added a very frustrating situation with treating Lyme and what comes with it. Your thoughts are appreciated. Will post again after looking into cinnamon bark oil, Ajwain oil and clove oil.

You are right, I did lot of research on in vitro lab study of Essential oil and try to figure what works. Next thing was what is the way to deliver in the blood stream. I figured that no way this should be ingested, I had Oregano oil and for the sake of trying i put under tongue and it burned so much. I left EO at one point but due to consistent sickness of my kids and in vitro study of Dr. zhang against lyme persister made me comeback to EO again. After searching internet I found that sole of the foot has biggest pores. And I recalled my mother in India always big fan of oil massage of castor oil, mustard oil etc.. As my son who was positive for lyme was treated with Doxy for month but his treatment started at 9th day when second rash appeared so I was concerned and did cowden for three months but then he got sick miserably and lost few pounds but recovered slowly and I had to stop cowden. He recovered but getting sick more often and recovery was always at snail pace. I was thinking that lyme is all gone but it appeared that his immune system is taking lot of hit then before lyme. Finally, I decided this every now and then sick cycle must be stop and then we started EO and so far until now for almost three months no sickness no school missing.

This is what I use Coconut oil (3 to 4 teaspoon)+2 dropper full garlic oil +20 drops of thyme oil +10 drop ajwain oil+10 drop clove oil +2 dropper full cinnamon bark oil. Mix it up in any glass bowl. Dip your four fingers in mix and apply using top of fingers and massage it, apply liberally(may have to dip finger two to three times). After 10 to 15 minute of massage it will be absorbed in sole and then put a socks on it. Also, before massage either take shower or dip feet in hot water for two to three minutes. Mix will last for a week or more, dont throw it does not get bad ofcourse since it kills bacteria.

Theory behind this has two objective, increase core body temperature, kill germs and off load immune system so it restore slowly. Most germs including virus multiply when core body temperature drops. When season changes immune system adjust as per the outer temperature but sometimes may be before it adjusts things already starts multiplying and therefore you get sick. My main goal was to raise core body temperature so no invader gets upperhand. Also, these oils are quite effective in killing germs and raising body temprature because it straight goes into blood stream. Also, there is zero chance of overdose since pores are so small you cant deliver high dose. Once you do it immediate effect your feet will feel really warm and you will warm internally.

I experimented on me before Kids, I myself found amazing effect, fresh mouth, hair thickening.shining skin. Also, I dont have much idea about Kidney connection, I have not researched that part, bottom line you cant overdose by anyway.

I believe lyme makes your immune system total crazy and gives all opportunity to other bugs to flourish while immune system busy figuring out what the f is this.

So far so good with EO, I found while googling some people cured lyme just on EO. I hope this information helps. Start slow and see how you react since everyone is different. One side note, your room will have stinky smell, all other oil except garlic has good Aroma. Ajwain oil is from India, may be cousin of Thyme.

Post Edited (lookahead22) : 7/11/2019 9:42:50 PM (GMT-6)

lookahead - thanks for taking the time to explain your mix for EBV. That took a tremendous amount of thought and research to put together.

Milocat - Glad the lomatium has helped you and hope it continues to do so. I took a quick look at how it might impact kidney disease, and will search some more.

I'm starting to notice on days I give myself a Bicillin shot, things seem to go better. Today was the first day in two weeks I haven't needed to sleep during day and temperature didn't go up as much. Starting to wonder if it is Lyme causing the afternoon fatigue and low-grade fever, mixed with effects of EBV. I'm not sure if Lyme Borrellia alone can cause those symptoms of afternoon fever and fatigue for months.

girlie - thanks for link. The fever, which is never higher than 99.4, is usually in afternoon, but it has expanded to happen some earlier and later. Also, fatigue has gotten much worse except yesterday, after a morning shot of Bicillin, it wasn't as bad, and I didn't sleep during day. Then couldn't sleep during night.

Wondering if you have had this - when my anxiety is up (and nervous system out of whack), I've noticed I pee more. After a decent day yesterday, I have had much worse one today. Temperature higher earlier.

Naturopath wants me to do another Armin Lab test for Lyme and others, but I've spent so much lately it's not there to spend. Was hoping to have EBV and others checked through Labcrop, which would not cost anything with my health plan. Then, if it showed positive on Lyme or anything else, it would save sending to Armin, which I've read mixed reviews on. Symptoms continue to be fatigue, the fever, low back pain and some hair loss.

I looked at people's comments on Armin and many wrote it is not reliable. Have no idea what to do, but did want to see if EBV score has come down any. Have you had experience with Armin tests? Anyone?

runningwild -when are you retesting your GfR?
Is it done monthly?

running wild,

My EBV was very high with mold toxicity (8 and 11 in armin labs lytic and latent test; (0-1 is negative)). I was beyond fatigued and had this feverish feeling, as if I had flu.
I think that something is driving your EBV to be active.
I used Beyond Balance tincture IMN-V-III for EBV and it helped me a lot, but then maybe taking binders for mold really helped me?
Frequent urination is common with mold.

I lived in a house with no apparent leaks, no musty smell, it took me ages to realize that I might be suffering from mold poisoning. Mold can be hidden, and only if you don't open the windows for a certain amount of time you can realize that there actually is some smell. If you work, then your work environment could be making you just as sick.
Because of the involvment of the kidneys, I wouldn't spend money on any more armin labs tests. Rather than letting your naturopath guide you, trust your gut. They only know so much, and can be biased due to their own experience. I would save every penny to do a mycotoxin test. Just to make sure, because of the kidneys. If it's not mold, then at least you can potentially rull it out, and move on.

Perhaps, if you took some binders that couldn't hurt, without any testing? They should protect kidneys anyway.
I took zeolite for three months every day, before I knew I was suffering from mold toxicity. I went to the sauna religiously because it made me feel much better. Chlorella is a mild binder, there are clays, charcoal, chlorophyl. Your naturopath should know which ones are ok to take with kidney issues/taking medication.

I took Pectasol-C for over 2.5 years. I could never tell it helped symptom wise. Zeobind is the only binder that has made a noticeable positive difference in how I feel.

running wild,

I agree with Zimica about the mycotoxin test. The Great Plains test is $299, I believe. I hope you will take a look at my post on it. I copied and pasted information from the lab that should interest you, as many mycotoxins are toxic to the kidneys. Also that’s correct about frequent urination. It’s one of the identified CIRS symptoms.