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Posted 3/10/2019 3:44 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone used the Dynamic Neural Retraining System program, by Annie Hopper? It focuses on the limbic system, but there's a similar program for the amygdala by Gupta that I'd be interested to hear about as well. My LLMD and Neil Nathan's book Toxic recommend the DNRS.

So many of us with Lyme (and co-infections and CFS/ME and CIRS and mold toxicity...) have overly-reactive nervous systems and other neurological issues, so I am hopeful that someone has tried this and can give me some feedback. Did you find it helpful? What were the exercises like? Did you use the online version? Any other tips?

Thanks!
Posted 3/10/2019 4:40 PM (GMT 0)
Sara - it’s been discussed here before and if I’m remembering correctly k07 has purchased it - she recently posted about it.
She said something about not being able to remember the steps or something like that,

I didn’t know there was an online version - I thought it was DVD’s

I have thought about it many times - but don’t want to spend the cash if it doesn’t work.
Posted 3/10/2019 4:44 PM (GMT 0)
Here’s a recent thread on it - I think you started it


https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4106990
Posted 3/10/2019 4:59 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, Girlie! Thanks for your reply. I was hoping that by referencing the DNRS program specifically in the title of this thread, that maybe I'd get more clicks from folks who have used it, specifically. I will search old threads, though, for sure. No need to make people post again about it if they already have, right? Thanks for the reminder.

According to the website, there's a 14-hour DVD program, a 14-hour online program, and a 5-day in-person training program available now, all teaching the same things. The online program starts at $270ish. If I decide to jump into that treatment angle, then I'll be sure to post an update and let people know if I find it helpful.
Posted 3/10/2019 5:11 PM (GMT 0)
It’s totally fine to start a new thread.


My LLND suggested it to me a few years back - I looked into it but didn’t order it.
Posted 8/17/2019 3:07 PM (GMT 0)

saraeli said...
Has anyone used the Dynamic Neural Retraining System program, by Annie Hopper? It focuses on the limbic system, but there's a similar program for the amygdala by Gupta that I'd be interested to hear about as well. My LLMD and Neil Nathan's book Toxic recommend the DNRS.

So many of us with Lyme (and co-infections and CFS/ME and CIRS and mold toxicity...) have overly-reactive nervous systems and other neurological issues, so I am hopeful that someone has tried this and can give me some feedback. Did you find it helpful? What were the exercises like? Did you use the online version? Any other tips?

Thanks!

Id like to hear more on this, not necessarily limited to this particular system though. My nervous system is way better, but after decades of being "off kilter" , over active, Its still not normal when my life gets real busy. Life does not slow down, it can pile up, so improving this is highly desired.

Im kinda hi-jacking this thread (not asking only about this system), but this post was pointed out to me on one of my posts.Its is the first I heard of such a thing.
Posted 8/17/2019 3:49 PM (GMT 0)
astroman

i bought the system....not to oversimplify it, but it is a positive thinking system...it uses cognitive based training to "re-wire" your mind....you are supposed to immediately re-direct any negative thinking into a positive place..not dwell on negative thoughts or physical sensations..after awhile your limbic system ( which is f---ed for most of us) stops being in overdrive, and your mind switches from fight or flight to rest and digest (parasympathetic system) ...once your limbic system stops the 24-7 fight or flight, you become not as reactive to foods, smells, and hypothetically ppl have "cured" their issues from lyme to pots....

i honestly felt the system was a little hokey, and the "daily practice" requires you to go through a script that youve memorized and followed by 15 minutes of positive memories and 15 minutes of thoughts of a positive future...

ive oversimplified it, but it does work to some degree....mindfulness and meditation have been shown to have the same effect....i think with these diseases there is a physiological shift in our mind towards anxiety negativity etc (bart especially) then we deal with no doctors able to help, nothing covered by insurance, does the herx mean its working or am i allergic,which of the three b's is it, or is it mold bla bla bla....the chronic among us know the drill....its close to impossible for me at times to think ill ever heal....and THATS where our limbic system gets f--ed up....we are in 24-7 fight or flight, which means our immune system is going haywire,cortisol is depleted etc etc and thats our chronic disease

i used the system for a few months and gave up on the nightly re-affirmations...but i must admit i was less reactive to everything (i was also using colostrum, eating low carb and taking glandular supplements (Beef liver, spleen etc), so i cant give all the credit to the program...i think there is a kernel of truth to a positive spirit leading to positive healing...

stress is the biggest cause of illness its been said....now i meditate, catch myself being negative and re-direct, use buddhist lovingkindess meditation (gratitude), i listen to Solfeggio tones (google it- purportefly divine tones...it calms my heart rate and brings relaxation).... my sleep is better, and my mcas is less than it was...

there is definite value in shifting our mindset- is it enough? do i truly think i will get well? paramahsa yogananda, a hindi mystic who helped to introduce yoga and meditation in america in the 1930s said "worry is the break on our efforts". maybe the thing inside my rationale mind saying i cant get well bc i havent after all these treatments is the VERY thing keeping me from healing.... sorry for rambling, but the mind and our thoughts are much more powerful than we give it credit...
Posted 8/17/2019 3:54 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, I have done this. I purchased the DVDs and did it consistently for about six months almost two years ago. I have EXTREME light sensitivity to artificial light (LEDs/fluorescents) so that was my main reason for doing the program. I did not see significant results for my light sensitivity, only a slight improvement. That said, I definitely felt that it did have a calming effect on my brain/nervous system and sleep improved.

I have actually just started the program again the other day and after the first night my sleep already improved. I am hoping it may have a more significant impact on my light sensitivity since I have had two more years of Lyme/bartonella treatment. I am going to do it for another six months.

Just be aware if you buy the dvds, they are cheesy and I felt like I was watching an infomercial. That said, I think there is real value to the program and for some people it has drastically improved their lives.

I know some people have mentioned it is hard to follow and commit to. I didn’t find that. After running through the steps a few times, I had no problems remembering it. And as Dr Neil Nathan said, even doing it a little each day can help so I was not a stickler to ensure I was doing the full hour each day - I would do it between 15 mins and 45 mins each day (and I am going to do the same this time). Each “round” takes about 15 mins and you look like a lunatic doing it - you are talking to yourself the whole time and moving from step to step. That said, I think rewiring your brain can be incredibly powerful so to me it is worth it and I would recommend it.
Posted 8/17/2019 4:15 PM (GMT 0)
add on- the best thing i got out of the system was the stop bodyscanning for aches all the time...the drill for me would be "here comes the nerve pain" thought followed by negativity...resulting in more nerve pain....now i just let the lymey symptoms come and try not to notice/think about them- therefore the central nervous system-parasympathetic system doesnt have to get alarmed and cause a vicious circle of more pains bc my immune system is over hyper....

i proved this to myself a few months ago....was having lunch with a girl i like quite alot, and i noticed in those 2 hrs, i had no nerve pain....which ive had 24-7 seemingly for yrs....did the pain go away because i was distracted by positive emotions...what if we could stay in that mindspace, would we get better?
Posted 8/18/2019 12:20 AM (GMT 0)
I did purchase and use the system, and I continue to. It works. Give it a try. I don't have time to post more about it right now, but I have posted a few rather long posts about it that might come up if you search "DNRS" or "limbic system retraining." I'm very interested to hear the experiences of others! No treatment I have tried has helped me more than DNRS has.
Posted 8/18/2019 6:09 AM (GMT 0)
dbwilco - what a coincidence.......I made a positive thinking post thats still up from a few days ago.

Negative thought (negative dwelling) is a form of stress on the body which can lead to insomnia,and adrenal "fight or flight" which both can lower the immune system to.

A lot of people get lyme or re-occurrence at stressful times of their life, since the immune system is weaker then.

What one really needs to do is adapt a "I dont give a F#%K attitude" to everyday living....thats not so easy to do though, and possibly not so good for other people in your life lol.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/18/2019 7:57:01 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/18/2019 6:13 PM (GMT 0)
I think you read into that to far, meaning not to care about people, which is not what I meant. I care about good people.

There is a fine line between caring about others and doing to much for some people who don’t do their share, when they can.

That said, some of the healthiest people I’ve met are unfortunately somewhat cold.

Giving a f£&€ about others peoples face to face rude, overly negative or a- holed behavior is wasting your energy, so is stressing over everyday mechanical home/ car breakdowns. Sh/t happens, deal with it and keep rolling on. Don’t stress about it.

Part of positive thinking is letting the little things “slide off your mind” if you can’t turn lemons into lemonade.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/18/2019 12:46:40 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/18/2019 8:55 PM (GMT 0)
its counterintuitive, but we must stop caring about the day to day machinations of this disease....a possible mistake i made was the daily list of symptoms...i mean it had value right? but i think it just caused me to obsess...i mean i have 3+yrs of daily symptoms logged....coming and going...and coming....and while its nice to look back and see oh i had this before, it really doesnt help me....i think it made me hyper-vigilant and created a mental cycle that caused more symptoms....i think we need to adapt the astroman dont give a f attitude (i saw you wrote that a long time ago, and honest to god, say it to myself- or if my mother is around i say it just doesnt matter)....we are freaking out that the storm is getting big, but does our fighting against the reality of our storm make the waters more calm....we have to be the boat that floats...so when some nasty weird autonomic symptoms that the llmds shake there head up show up, i kinda laugh now....maybe gallows humor but it beats fighting against with IS
Posted 8/19/2019 3:48 PM (GMT 0)

1000Daisies said...
I agree on "don't sweat the small stuff" mentality. I agree with more than we disagree.

But I don't agree with the "don't give a f*#* attitude" and being "somewhat cold" in order to be healthy. No thanks.

Im using "shop talk" here like I would with the guys. And you know what? Its pretty common for women in real life not to "get this" and look to far into it, as women in general (i'm generalizing), are more emotionally driven than most men.

But you have to acknowledge there are people in life who are energy suckers for no reason, in work or personal life. There may be self made drama in their life too, again, for no apparent reason other than attention or ego. Not talking about sick people or those fallen on hard times.

The "cold people are happy" reference is just an observation, partially from the many jobs ive had. Didnt say I like it.
Any guy who's worked in traditional mens jobs, or even competed in "mens" sports will know exactly what i'm referring to.

The world can be perceived different between the genders, partially since our traditional social roles and expectations are also different despite being "equal" in modern times.
Posted 1/2/2023 1:09 AM (GMT 0)
I did dnrs and it almost healed me of CIRS . Soon friends! Don’t discount it and stop saying it’s positive thinking for the love of God!
Posted 1/2/2023 2:08 AM (GMT 0)
Hi, Beenie. Welcome to the forum!

Since I started this thread in 2019, I did the DNRS program and got vastly better - 85% of my pre-chronic illness condition, reliably. I have posted about it dozens of times since, often trying to dispel the misunderstanding it sounds like you're trying to clear up as well. smile

Would you like to start a new thread and share a bit about what brought you to the forum?
Posted 1/2/2023 12:28 PM (GMT 0)
Where would I purchase this from?
Posted 1/2/2023 4:27 PM (GMT 0)
https://retrainingthebrain.com/
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