Assessing the mold vs infections

Hi.
So I had a phone consult with my natropath. She was feeling like I need to move due to mold.

Real time ochacrotoxin A 16.7
My prob with this is...
That's assuming I have no Lyme symptoms and my 12 herbal pills are taking care of those. And I went almost a year with no Lyme treatment until four weeks ago.
And that my symptoms are not due to coinfections.

I do understand that Moving and eliminating possible mold exposure may be helpful ( possibly very helpful) and if not move progress is hindered.

I just don't want to uproot my family in a stressed out hurry if and have the same symptoms in new place. Teasing out the cause is hard.

Also what if the mold is regional airborne. ***

Someone mentioned a good Bart test. Good but not definite?!

For now, I plan on challenging Bart with A- Bart
Then trying different Byron white lyme formula to see if I'm just not hitting lyme.

It's just that if my green dragon caps takes care of Lyme we would all be that much better so easily.

Nobody really knows what we are feeling or going through. I mean the doctors.

Feeling out of breath and tired. Packing for a week out of town. In laws house But I've seen mold there last summer ... so not a good trial

Someone said. Lyme symptoms come and go but mold lingers.

My symptoms do both. Come and go.
Am anxiety/ dep. afternoon fatigue. Could be anything right?! Then days like this of all day malaise. The beau sea burping comes and goes. Often now. Anyone else get that

symptoms:
Anxiety depression especially in am
Breathlessness
fatigue
Nausea/ belching
Slight motion sick feeling ( stand on outsides of feet all day- weird)
Inner vibrations
Numb cheek( thinking that's Lyme)

I only know I have Lyme and mold.

Prof who test ticks at umass says ticks aren't showing with Bart. I think it's more like a dormant infection in many that rears up.

I apologize for the length whomever reads and annoying repeat. I'm having hard time. Drove kids to see play last night had some kind of attack while driving and in theater. Like nausea/ malaise anxiety. Im starting to beafraid to go places. Two young kids . Point is getting worse.

Post Edited (Lightlife) : 11/23/2019 5:20:11 AM (GMT-7)

sandyfeet said...

I should also note that I believe that if you are sensitive to mold it is possible that you may have different reactions depending on what you are exposed to - that is my reactions were different in various moldy locations. This was quite confusing for me.

Yes. I believe this, too. I also believe if you are sensitive to mold, you may react to much more than just mold. May depend on which genetic susceptibility you have. I have one of the multi-susceptible genes, so I am at risk with all biotoxins.

We talk about mold, but it is really water damaged buildings that are the crux of this. If you read any of the CIRS knowledgeable indoor environmental experts on this, you will find they talk about a whole soup of microorganisms and biotoxins that are found in water damaged buildings.

The way I think of it is every building (water damaged or not) has its own microbiome just like our bodies. Introduce some water, some VOCs from new furniture or cleaning supplies, lifestyle habits and germs of occupants, etc, and the building ecology changes and adapts similar to our gut microbiome based on our diet, medications, infections, and environmental exposures.

Mold is the most testable item in the mix, so that’s where the focus is. Water damaged materials also support bacteria, viruses, actinomycetes, etc. All these things produce toxic byproducts that can trigger immune responses as well as infections. It’s a lot to wrap ones head around.

I am about to undergo remediation in a house my mom and I bought. We have not lived in the house yet. I am hopeful but also scared. Even if a mold test comes back acceptable after remediation, I know that my body will adjust to whatever is there. I worry that I may continue to have the same symptoms and inflammation, or that I may feel better initially but after some weeks or months, symptoms will return and I will be struggling to determine why.

My body definitely goes through “adjustments” any time I enter a new indoor environment. I can walk into a big box store that has mold and VOCs and think it’s not horribly bad while I am in there. Then, after I get back in the car, I start having pain and numbness. I used to get so confused. I finally realized it’s a delayed reaction to whatever I was exposed to in the place I just came out of.

Korissa said...

My living areas have no visible evidence of water damage. I did have Aspergillus/Pennicillium in kitchen air, when tested by inspector in October, but I don't have HVAC or central air and didn't open windows for cross ventilation this summer. My theory is that air got trapped in kitchen where I can't open window at all. The asp/penn is what showed up for test outside too..

Asp/penn should be lower inside than outside. Did the inspector remove the kickplate and search underneath your kitchen cabinets? Did they check around the dishwasher and the ice maker drain line from the freezer?

My house had no visible mold or water damage either. My inspector did a thorough inspection and wrote a protocol for remediation. He identified suspect areas under all the exterior windows on the front and back of the house that warranted exploratory demolition.

We had a mold dog come do an inspection before starting remediation. The dog handler knew nothing of the areas identified in the protocol, but the dog detected a mold source in the wall cavity in each of those areas, as well as the bathroom cabinet and two sections of the kitchen cabinet.

Mold guidelines are for a visual inspection and air samples, neither of which will detect the majority of mold sources.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 12/1/2019 7:58:28 PM (GMT-7)

Sometimes I wonder if it is the Lyme and co-infections that are causing the mold problem. Not saying this is always the case but could be so for some people?

Korissa,

You mentioned a basement. Were mold tests done in the basement level? Basements and crawlspaces are mold prone. While it may not be on plaster, it is likely to be on cardboard boxes, wood, and other items stored there.

Air travels upward. If there’s any toxigenic mold source there, the toxins can infiltrate the living space. The author of the Biotoxinjourney.com site had some lumber stored under a small concrete crawlspace. There was enough moisture to cause mold on the wood. Eventually the house became flooded with mycotoxins, and he got CIRS. Mold on wood is not always obvious and can often look like dust, dirt, stains, or splatters.

Here’s info: https://mold-dog.com/