Lyme Anxiety

Every day i’m obsessing about my thoughts which can lead to severe anxiety. I don’t know why this is happening, this has been my first symptom of lyme and it still hasn't gone away. Once I stop obsessing about one thing I start obsessing about something else. Does this stop as treatment progresses? Does it get worse with herxing? Has this happened to anyone else? Is this a lyme or bart symptom? Just very discouraged feeling like this will never stop

Post Edited (freespirit2) : 12/3/2019 8:30:44 AM (GMT-7)

Anxiety/depression is a major problem for me and, as astroman mentioned, so many dealing with Lyme and co-infections.

All his suggestions (astroman's) are good ones. I have noticed when I do not eat as well as I should, anxiety and depression get much worse. Thanksgiving is a great example when I ate some things I shouldn't have. Seems as the gut goes, so do my emotions and overall feeling.

I’ve just recently started to detox my body , I dry brush before I shower every night, I just bought alka seltzer gold, and i’m drinking lemon water. I was taking Valerian Root to help ease the anxiety, but stopped once I started taking all my tinctures and herbals for the lyme. Thank you for all your responses it’s comforting knowing I’m not alone in this. It’s scary feeling like your mind isn’t your own.

ugh it’s the worst. It started to get better, but this past week its gotten bad again. Don’t know if its due to herxing (I started herbal treatment on 11/21) or maybe because its that time of the month (sorry tmi) or if its just a lyme flare up. I’m still new to this and trying to figure everything out.

astroman said...
I see your new here.

Anxiety and depression is very common here , one, the other, or both together. And its not specific to the type of infection. All these infections screw up the bodies methalation process, body chemicals ect

Not specific to the type of infection? Wow that's new to me... I dealt with of babesia and lyme for 8 years and had no severe anxiety, depression, or neurological issues until my bartonella flared up.

Freespirit2, If you talk with a good qualified top LLMD like Dr. H or Dr. J you'll see how certain coinfections cause more neurological issues than others.

They call bartonella cat scratch fever for a reason. First, it's well documented has been shown to cause schizophrenia
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/03/190318170249.htm

And it's also an underlying cause of a lot of many other neurological issues that go undocumented and is still a very unknown area.
https://www.northcarolinahealthnews.org/2013/12/05/bartonella-is-everywhere-so-why-dont-we-know-more-about-it/

northcarolinahealthnews.org said...
for more than 100 years, Breitschwerdt said he’s convinced that Bartonella is the stealth cause of many neurological chronic disease in humans.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov said...
Do Bartonella Infections Cause Agitation, Panic Disorder, and Treatment-Resistant Depression?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc2100128/

freespirit2 said...
Every day i’m obsessing about my thoughts which can lead to severe anxiety. I don’t know why this is happening, this has been my first symptom of lyme and it still hasn't gone away. Once I stop obsessing about one thing I start obsessing about something else. Does this stop as treatment progresses? Does it get worse with herxing? Has this happened to anyone else? Is this a lyme or bart symptom? Just very discouraged feeling like this will never stop

While I'm sure babesia and borrelia can wreak havoc on a mind if "left untreated" without antibiotics for months or years, usually when treated these neurological symptoms like anxiety will die down within a shorter period of time compared to bartonella. Bartonella on the other hand the neurological herxes will get worse and takes a long time for the anxiety, agitation, and panic attacks to calm down.

As many lyme patients are finding out, the new possible cure for borrelia/babesia which is disulfiram, all this drug seems to be doing for lyme patients with bartonella is flaring their neurological symptoms, making them worse.

And, yes Astroman is still right, that the other coinfections and even borrelia can still cause anxiety and depression, but bartonella is a lot worse with causing these symptoms than any other coinfection and even borrelia.

And when I hear about a lot of the suicides in the news or blog posts, like this one here, I think bartonella is a bigger contributing factor than borrelia or babesia.

Psychiatrists and Bartonella Stole My Son’s Life
https://catchingkim.com/2019/06/26/psychiatrists-and-bartonella-stole-my-sons-life/?utm_source=reviveoldpost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=reviveoldpost&fbclid=iwar011eagpsxs7kjn_clup7dz8bon0vfu2fm21t3ld-xsmc6ywioubiuzlbe/

Remind you I've contracted all 3 B's and know what they all directly feel like!

Read this article
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6830521/suicidal-teenager-hospitalised-schizophrenia-actually-infected-cat-scratches.html

Symptoms like these in this article down below aren't as common with Borrelia nor babesia, I suspect it can happen, but not like at the severity with bartonella.

said...

He suffered with hallucinations, rage outbursts and thoughts of killing his family
After dozens of treatments failed, he endured 11 weeks of extensive testing
It was marks on his skin that were shown to be infected by cat-carried Bartonella

I didn't even know what an intrusive thought was, until my bartonella finally flared up, lol... Again 8 years of treating lyme and babesia. Some say babesia can be the major dominant infection and once that's treated, bartonella flares, which happened to me, but everyone's different. If you just have babesia, I suspect for many the bartonella symptoms will play the dominant role. I think the infection showing the dominant symptoms should be treated first, just like Dr. J thinks in Washington DC.

And while I think this forum is loaded with valuable information on bartonella, absolute gold mind, especially when using the search box researching your symptoms. I think on a specific coinfection like bartonella you'll find a more direct way to match up your strange symptoms in a Facebook coinfection group like Beating Bartonella, along with Bartonella Information.

A new symptom of mine, lol, is short term memory loss that comes and goes... And what ya know, someone on the Beating Bartonella group just mentioned this. And what's crazy is, my memory actually seems to be getting better, especially my longterm and I'm able to speak longer sentences now and think more clearly. But sometimes in an instant, I forget what I just did, then it comes back to me 10 seconds later.

I was on the freeway driving to my parents, instantly forgot what freeway I was on and when I turned on to get there, then remembered again within 10 seconds. Again, I have never dealt with any of these neurological effects in the 8 years of dealing with babesia and borrelia.

astroman said...


4)experiment with supps like 5htp, passionflower, Lithium -orotate, Gaba, or adrenal calming herbs and adaptogens. There are to many for me to list of the top of my head.

You have to be careful with all these herbs if you're bartonella has flared.

For me, I tried some of the herbs like holy basil and it made my herxing worse with anxiety. Why? Well if you research holy basil, it's antibacterial and also antiparasitic, which I think many of the lyme patients are forgetting on this forum. If you do research on holy basil you'll find it was actually used to treat malaria. Just about all plants have some from antimicrobrial effects, probably not a good herb to take if you have bartonella, as it will cause herxing and making anxiety worse.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/114148?#000000

jedidano said...
Wow!!! For an herb that is touted as promoting calmness (which it did, as a sedative would), it also managed to "activate" the lyme, etc. in my brain....

Anyone else out there have a similar experience???

I think that taking the "full" dose as my first dose was, at least in part, responsible for the strong "activation". And after 12 hours, it was freaky!....I felt "withdrawal symptoms", as I am right now, again....12 hours after having taking a pill (this time just one).....

A warning message about using Ashwagandha extract

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3550177

mpost said...
So i used to take Ashwagandha root extract. It was quite efficient in the beginning of my treatment, my fatigue was gone. I have continued to take it, and in the last 3 weeks i developed some very weird symptoms that first i thought they were a herx, then Bartonella going berserk, etc...

- insomnia
- agitation
- day sweats, night sweats (babesia, right?)
- conjunctivitis/red eyes
- rapid heart beat

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/r2r13tjiyvmqq5/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_rvw_ttl?ie=utf8&asin=b000cgjsfk

Sadie said...
Started taking this in capsule form for lyme-induced anxiety/restless leg syndrome and BAM- got hit with a herx reaction (that's actually a good thing). I researched it further, and saw that it is a powerful anti-malarial herb as well. Aha! Anti-malarials treat my lyme coinfection (babesiosis), so this wonderful herb was killing babesiosis bugs well enough to cause a herx! Bonus! I came here and ordered these drops, so I could better control the dosage (which was hard to do with a capsule). Now I am using it to control anxiety and the disease itself. Holy basil has benefits a mile long.... do some Googling and see for yourself. You will probably end up ordering it Gaia is a great brand, too.

I think Stephen Buhner is also forgetting that even holy basil and ashwagandha have antimicrobial effects yet he's suggesting these herbs directly for anxiety, not accounting for bartonella flaring, but oh yeah, Buhner also says bartonella doesn't cause herxes.

And It was just posted on the beating bartonella group how there's a huge growing number of suicides related to taking Gabapentin which I didn't know. If you already have anxiety and depression from Bartonella, I'd avoid this drug. It's usually given for nerve pain and neuropathy from the die off from bartonella and borrelia.

https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2019/12/2/gabapentin-linked-to-growing-number-of-suicides?fbclid=iwar0c9_es6xswdq9tdsc4nybs0pprgrzqbndqexruvwxkeylshfaxk_b0zso

I think you're better option to treating anxiety is with magnesium, which would be KAL's magneisum glycinate or Natural Vitality's Calm magnesium citrate. Or just doing warm epsom salt baths, not too hot or it will cause the bartonella to flare. And as I've noticed on the beating bartonella groups, many patients reporting scratch/stretch marks showing up after a hot bath or shower. I've had this same thing happen, I didn't see anyone mention this on the forums. Again, I think you'll find a better direct correlation to your symptoms by joining a specific bartonella group on Facebook, I've learned a so lot more. But there's still things the FB groups are lacking that arent' talked about which are talked about on the forums, I think it's smart to stay active on both.

And when I think about it, I think some of the veteran lyme members on this board like Astroman who I think if I recall got bitten and contracted lyme couple of decades ago. Maybe not that long ago, but I know he's a veteran... What I'm getting at is, lyme disease has changed in the last decade, and what he went through is a lot different than what you're going through with lyme. A lot more lyme patients are getting all 3 B's compared to when you'd just contract borrelia and only 1 or 2 coinfections back in the day. And the coinfections are becoming more severe, becoming more resilient, and the symptoms I suspect are becoming worse as well. But hey, that's evolution, as many Scientists always talk about bacteria each year becoming harder to treat do to antibiotic resistance and evolving.

And for me, herbs did nothing for bartonella, only aggravate my neurological symptoms. First herbs don't adequately penetrate the blood brain barrier enough to treat neurobartonellosis nor do they penetrate deeply enough to target embeded bacteria deep into the tissue. This coinfection is not something to play around with by just solely relying on herbs. If you look up the keyword "cowden" on the beating bartonella group, you'll see a comment made by Cowden that said his herbs will beat 4-8 weeks. As you''ll find out there's a lot embellishment to sell supplements and making money from desperate lyme patients. I honestly don't know how Cowden can live with himself after making that statement, but hey, I think one's ego goes to one head once they see the money rolling in. A lot of these herbs have been on the market for decades, if they cured these coinfections and lyme they would be shouting for joy just like this story of a lyme patient getting back on his feet after taking disulfiram.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/father-bedbound-by-lyme-disease-is-back-on-his-feet-due-to-a-drug-for-alcoholism-110955745.html

I think the last I recall, disulfiram is $5 for 30 tablets on one of the Indian pharmacies. Oh yeah, what does Cowden's samento tincture cost again? $40 for a 1 oz tincture, compared to 4oz tincture of cats claw that can be found on Etsy for $20.

Keep doing more research freespirit2, don't tribalize and count on one source for information(like one forum), a single type of treatment or one particular doctor. In a way, all the different sources can educate you and help you with treatment. Herbs also have their benefits when taking break off antibiotics, used in collaboration with antibiotics, as well as hitting biofilms with stevia and xylitol. But the one's who solely count on one form of treatment or ideology, turnout usually isn't good for them.

freespirit2 said...
Every day i’m obsessing about my thoughts which can lead to severe anxiety. I don’t know why this is happening, this has been my first symptom of lyme and it still hasn't gone away.

Bartonella!

freespirit2 said...

Once I stop obsessing about one thing I start obsessing about something else.

Bartonella!!!

freespirit2 said...

Does this stop as treatment progresses? Does it get worse with herxing? Has this happened to anyone else? Is this a lyme or bart symptom? Just very discouraged feeling like this will never stop

And Bartonella!!!!!!

freespirit2 - Just very discouraged feeling like this will never stop... Remind you what did Charlie55 said above above about Bartonella.

And remind you, bartonella will need to specific antibiotics like bactrim, rifampin, rifabutin, omnicef, or mino in order for these bartonella neuro symptoms to stop. Some new drugs that possibly target bartonella persister cells are pyrazinamide, methylene blue, and oregano oil.

Charlie55 said...

While I'm sure babesia and borrelia can wreak havoc on a mind if "left untreated" without antibiotics for months or years, usually when treated these neurological symptoms like anxiety will die down within a shorter period of time compared to bartonella. Bartonella on the other hand the neurological herxes will get worse and takes a long time for the anxiety, agitation, and panic attacks to calm down.

Bartonella on the other hand the neurological herxes will get worse and takes a long time for the anxiety, agitation, and panic attacks to calm down.

freespirit2 said...

Once I stop obsessing about one thing I start obsessing about something else.

This is OCD that's a huge symptom of Bartonella.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/4/2019 10:24:44 AM (GMT-7)

I invite everyone to stop worrying about "TMI" on a forum about a disease that effects every part of our bodies. We all have bodies. They do body things. It's nothing for us to be ashamed of.

All of my symptoms flare with ovulation, before menstruation, during menstruation, and then there's the few days after menstruation when I'm weak from lack of blood volume and hormones. It's a constant slog. Progesterone cream helped for a couple of months and then stopped. I re-tried it a few months later and the same thing happened. (I used Karuna Progesterone Pure.) Some people find help from evening primrose oil, chaste tree (vitex), and various adaptogens. I highly recommend looking into HPA axis dysfunction and having salivary testing done for hormone levels. Long story short, the symptoms you have don't always match up with the hormone levels you have, so it's good to know what you are dealing with before you treat and make any imbalances worse. (HPA = hypothalamic, pituitary, and adrenal hormones.)

Herxing definitely causes emotional and psych symptoms to flare, and for some people those are their most pronounced symptoms, so it's fair to assume that's what's going on for you. I think the symptoms you are describing are more common with Bartonella, but I think it can happen with Lyme and others as well. Does anything help ease them on a short-term basis for you - adaptogenic herbs, CBD, meditation, exercise, being outdoors? How are your gut bacteria and general nutrition? Is this time of year usually tough for you (i.e. is seasonal affective disorder playing a role)?

Girlie said...

Charlie said: “I think the infection showing the dominant symptoms should be treated first, just like Dr. J thinks in Washington DC.”

Not DrJ - he treats Babesia first (after a stabilizing period) -

That's what I'm referring to Girlie, for a lot of lyme patients babesia tends to be the dominant infection. So Dr. J does treat the dominant symptoms for the most part. Dominant infection usually means the dominant symptoms, which tend to be flaring.

Those that have the 3 B's tend to be like peeling the layers of an onion back through treatment. First babesia symptoms, then bartonella symptoms, then eventually borrelia. But I know not everyone's like that. As I've seen for some, both babesia and bartonella can flare up and down like wack-a-mole. I suspect those that have more milder strains of babesia compared to the big one such as babesia duncani, I'm not sure.

Not everyone has babesia though, especially in different regions of the country where it's not as prevalent like the northeast USA, but what's next as being the dominant infection if you just contract borrelia and bartonella from a tick bite? Most likely bartonella will play the dominant infection. And just like Dr Kinderlehrer has hinted to, he suspect this can be the hardest coinfection to put into remission. As he said, some of the ID Docs actually use 3 antibiotics at once, I'm not sure how anyone could tolerate that, the herx load would be unbearable, but that's what he said.
https://youtu.be/q6dlpvbuxrq?t=1091

What's interesting though is, Kristina Bauer said her doctor treats lyme first, then babesia, making treatment of babesia easier, and Dr Kinderlehrer agreed, which was surprising to me. I mean the fact of the matter is, if you don't put babesia in remission or treat it first, how would one expect to reach remission or progress with lyme. From my experience 9 years ago after contracting lyme, I never progressed at all until with my own lyme 8 years ago until I started treating with antiparasitics, again, maybe it has to do with region of the country you're in and what strain of babesia you get. I suspect I had Babesia Duncani... But hey, this goes to show not every Lyme Literate Doctor treats the same, personally, I'd go with what the leading lyme doctors are saying such as Dr. J in DC and Dr. H in New York.

What's nice is, a drug like disulfiram seems to be cutting off the heads of two major infections at once in the beginning which are babesia and bartonella. So what order you treat in may not matter as much anymore with this new drug.

From the sound of it, I'd say freespirit2 has bartonella and borrelia. But ya never know, may also have babesia too, what I would do if I were you is start on some bartonella specific antibiotics, see how you respond. That's probably the only way the anxiety and depression is going to go away. If you have bartonella and you're treating borrelia instead, basically in reverse, it's probably just going to make your bartonella get worse and progression with treatment will be a lot slower. But again, some LLMDs may disagree.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/4/2019 4:14:37 PM (GMT-7)

It seems like a lot of people here are having increased anxiety this week. I am, too. I was considering coming on here and asking about that.
Racing thoughts and OCD stuff is in the same ilk as anxiety so they can go hand in hand. Seems to be bad this week

So is the consensus here that the strongest psych and emotional symptoms are attributed to bartonella? I used to think this but then treating bartonella (although it flared anxiety) didn't rid me of it. Then, many doctors I saw associated the strong psych stuff (derealization, psychosis, paranoia) with babesia. Treating that didn't help, either. I wonder could bartonella still be around? Or is it moreso the MCAS or an autoimmune condition?

Freespirit2- I've had the racing, intrusive thoughts. They're horrible but do get better. I'm also not sure if these are associated with a specific infection or not. The only one I've tested positive for so far is bart!

Aerose91 said...
So is the consensus here that the strongest psych and emotional symptoms are attributed to bartonella? I used to think this but then treating bartonella (although it flared anxiety) didn't rid me of it. Then, many doctors I saw associated the strong psych stuff (derealization, psychosis, paranoia) with babesia. Treating that didn't help, either. I wonder could bartonella still be around? Or is it moreso the MCAS or an autoimmune condition?

Aerose91 listen to what Dr Kinderlehrer said about bartonella, "I think bartonella is the most difficult to treat. Infectious Disease Doctors use 3 Antibiotics"
https://youtu.be/q6dlpvbuxrq?t=1091

It's just not practical what many preach on this forum suggesting you're going to reach remission just by using Stephen Buhner or Cowden's herbs or even just standard antibiotics. First off, herbs don't cross the blood brain barrier adequately enough nor do they absorb in the body enough to reach deep into the tissue where this bacteria can lie dormant. This is why antibiotics like fluoroquinolones were laced with fluoride for better bioavailability and penetrate deep within the body.

https://www.aafp.org/afp/2000/0501/p2741.html

Somebody said...

The addition of fluoride to the original quinolone antibiotic compounds yielded a new class of drugs, the fluoroquinolones, which have a broader antimicrobial spectrum and improved pharmacokinetic properties.

Here's another quote from a doctor with 30 years experience of studying bartonella.

Somebody said...
You cannot float humans or horses in enough Doxycycline to kill this bacteria

So when people like Cowden are suggesting they're going to successfully treat their bartonella in 4-8 weeks, I laugh and shake my head. But people are still falling for these embellished claims to this day... Yet majority are still sick on this forum.

I think many people need to start listening to what the real lyme literate doctors are saying about these coinfections and persister cells that keep these infections chronic.

I went through hell with primaquine and coartem, then following up with 3-4 months of CSA formula and a-bab to finally seem like I reached remission with babesia. That's after 8 years of antibiotic and antiparasitic drugs that supposedly the LLMDs here in Michigan claimed would be enough to put babesia in remission.

After reading the Yale study and the statement saying this parasite has a low susceptibility to traditional antiparasitic drugs, I knew we were talking about a parasite that is just as resilient as malaria. Not necessarily as deadly, but a parasite that can stay with you a whole decade until you use the right antiparasitic drug or long enough treatment.

https://news.yale.edu/2018/11/29/yale-scientists-develop-new-system-study-emerging-tickborne-disease

said...
found that the parasite has low susceptibility to these therapies.

Did you ever see the Monsters Inside Me clip on Babesia? From what I remember, that particular patient adequately treated her lyme, but could never reach remission and stayed sick due to Babesia.

And if you're not aware, malaria have different strains that are super resistant to no matter what drug you throw at it. There's these dormant forms of the parasite called hypnozoites that can lie deep within the liver, there's only two drugs that target and kill these persister cells, primaquine and the new one tafenoquine. I wouldn't be surprised if Babesia or strains of Babesia like duncani are just as resistent as these hypnozoite forms of Babesia.

Luckily were finding out that Disulfiram is having a lot of success with treating Babesia and hopefully the quinine antiparasitic drugs aren't needed, as they can injure the brain stem and cause permanent symptoms. Similar to the quinolones for bartonella, which can cause permanent damage. But what's strange is, the permanent symptoms patients are describing from fluoroquinolones and quinines(Quinism) sound a lot like Bartonella, lol, both Sebreg and I believe those that think they have contracted permanent disabilities from these drugs, may actually just have flared up bartonella. Just a theory... I suspect the soliders that have taken mefloquine probably have damaged their brain stem and do have permanent symptoms, however, just never know if there's underlying infection, just as Breitschwerdt thinks, a Doctor who's studied bartonella for 30 years, is convinced that "Bartonella is the stealth cause of many neurological, inflammatory and chronic diseases in humans."

Again, perfect biowarfare weapons if you think about all this, undetectable, impossible to cure, and good enough injure a whole population if you wanted to effect another country's economy or invade it. Again, not my words, but what the documents revealed in Kris Newby's book bitten.

When I think about it, now claimed by the CDC that 300,000 people infected in the US each year, I think it's probably more like in the million compared to Germany, which might I add was reported by Dr. MacDonald 5-6 years ago on LymeNetEurope. It probably is starting to damage our economy and our healthcare system, if the government decided to come out and say, alright we lied, you're all covered for longterm intravenous antibiotics. I'm sure it would sink the entire healthcare economy.

I suspect the US government never thought climate change would propel these tickborne pathogens into this much of an epidemic... But hey, maybe I'm just a conspiracy nut and this is just bartonella talking...

It's actually laughable how unaware and uneducated majority of doctors are to this disease, yet you see how many celebrities are coming down with it. Joe Rogan has 12 of his friends. Shania Twain, Avril Levigne, Yolanda Foster. These celebrities marriages are failing because of the lyme, yet here we are going into 2020 and yet the majority of doctors still say lyme doesn't exist in their home state.

Not in my wildest dreams did I think an entire population of humans could be in denial about an epidemic like this, but hey, look at what's happened with climate change lol.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/4/2019 8:24:27 PM (GMT-7)

freespirit2 said...
Thank you so much for all your responses. Its a lot to take in. I have an appointment with an Infectious Disease Doctor next week so i’ll be sure to bring a lot of this up. Aerose91- exactly its like your mind is doing its own thing it’s like i'm not in control of my thoughts. I was recommend this doctor from other people I know who suffered from lyme. This doctor did an asyra test on me and i’m praying that all the herbs and tinctures he has given me work. Everyone else I know who also went to this doctor were cured by the tinctures he had given them. If you don’t know what an Asyra test is look into it, it’s very interesting. The doxy I took prior to the herbals didn’t do a thing and reeked havoc on my body. I was hoping going the more natural route would be more effective and less harmful. I just hope something works and soon..

An actual Infectious Disease Doctor? They don't have a good record for treating chronic lyme.

There is one rebellious Infectious Disease Doctor in Keego Harbor here in Michigan that solely treats with monotherapy and minocycline at low dosage. Works to a point and helps some, but most plateau and if you have babesia, which a lot of patients now do, this treatment isn't going to work.

Anyways, I haven't had much success with the so called lyme literate ID Doctors either, I've heard some of the rebellious one's do help, but really that's all they do... Is just help.

freespirit2 said...
This doctor did an asyra test on me and i’m praying that all the herbs and tinctures he has given me work. Everyone else I know who also went to this doctor were cured by the tinctures he had given them. If you don’t know what an Asyra test is look into it, it’s very interesting. The doxy I took prior to the herbals didn’t do a thing and reeked havoc on my body. I was hoping going the more natural route would be more effective and less harmful. I just hope something works and soon..

Wow a ID Doctor that uses herbs and tinctures, even rarer. I guess it's possible, especially if one is worried about losing his license due to treating with antibiotics long term.

freespirit2 said...
Everyone else I know who also went to this doctor were cured by the tinctures he had given them.

Yeah I've been hearing this for a whole decade now, but have yet to meet any of these people. But hey, I believe herbs can help treat babesia and borrelia, which is much more milder. But something more severe like bartonella that wreaks havoc on the mind? I wouldn't risk it, but that's just me.

freespirit2 said...
The doxy I took prior to the herbals didn’t do a thing and reeked havoc on my body. I was hoping going the more natural route would be more effective and less harmful. I just hope something works and soon..

Most likely not the side effects from doxy, but the herxing is what's tearing up your body and is intolerable to you. But an antibiotic can wreak havoc on the gut if you don't supplement with probiotics. I hope you're aware, even herbs can eradicate a lot of the good bacteria in your gut as well, as any antimicrobial in general kills bacteria good or bad, so be sure to take a probiotic.

And again, if bartonella is what's causing your anxiety/depression symptoms, doxycycline isn't a successful antibiotic known to treat bartonella.

Post Edited (Charlie55) : 12/4/2019 5:39:29 PM (GMT-7)

Aerose91 said...

This week hasn't been for me. I've been concentrating on school work but this has been underlying. It's like YOU don't have anxiety or racing thoughts, your brain does.

Yep... It's as if feeling you're stepping out of your body and watching your brain wander and think for itself. Then once it's stops racing, you gain it back and then think how the hell was I thinking about this crap.

One guy compared it to the drug speed he took in college. Now is that f$@cking scary or what? I never took any recreation drug like that before, but I suspect it would be fun for a few hours, but after you've dealt with bartonella for a week your want immediately out of this hell. lol

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3795523

BJD55 said...
I've been rx'd artemesinin, a-bab, and doxy. I initially increased the a-bab dose too quickly, increasing 1 drop per day bid to I got to 5 drops bid. I started feeling wired, agitated, and increased gastritis pain. So I took 5 days off and started back on it yesterday. I took 2 drops mid afternoon and within an hour that wired feeling came back. Reminds me a bit of when I took speed in college back in the 70's. It was tolerable til I went to bed and I struggled to fall/stay asleep.

A-Bab also has herbs that hit bartonella, so it's most likely wasn't babesia which was causing his symptoms, but bartonella.

The infectious disease doctor is not the one who prescribed me the herbals and tinctures, I have not been to see the IDD yet. I'm at a loss at the moment my primary was no help, the emergency room did nothing when I went a month ago. The only other option I have at the moment is continuing to take the herbals/tinctures and going to see the IDD. I have met the people who the tinctures worked for, but I don't know what co infections they had etc. Guess everything works different for everyone, I've read a lot of different views and opinions on what works and what doesnt for people on this forum. Have to keep my options open.