COVID-19

dcd2103 said...

dcd2103 said...
Yes, it coming. 1000%. Global BOND markets, which sniff these things out very accurately IMO, are extremely extremely nervous. Maybe more nervous than I’ve ever seen since 2008. Theyre pricing in fed cuts on this thing.

I follow a bunch of epidemiologists on twitter and they all saying this is going to be BAD. Harvard is estimating the R_0 to be as high as 3.8. That is thermonuclear bad. It means it transmits very easily. 1.3 is typical flu. 1.8 is the 1918 Spanish flu that killed millions. At a 3.8 you’d need to catch 72% of all cases before they contaminate someone else for the disease to stabilize. No way.

Order your N95 masks while you can. The 3M N95 mask is what you want, don’t trust a cheap brand. I’d also stock some non perishable food while you can.

I’m very nervous because I live in NYC. I have nowhere to store food as I don’t own the apartment and the fridge is small and all the closet space is take. I’m considering just piling it in my office. I also cannot leave the city when it makes its way here because I have this autoimmune issue and MUST have my weekly infusions. Plus I’m a sitting duck w my weak immune system. A disruption of the medical supply chain is all I need.

I was thinking about it. My drs all agree that my autoimmune condition was caused by an infection (either lyme or the bad strep throat I had in 2012, or possibly a virus I don’t know about). A lot of the people who survive this corona virus are going to develop similar problems, i can’t even imagine the kind of havoc corona wreaks on the immune system.

Ahhhh, gotta pat myself on the back and say, this was a great call. The fed cuts, the autoimmune complications, stocking up on food, the n95, all of it. Seems obvious now but there wasnt even a case in the US at that point, some people hadnt heard of it yet. Had been of this view since late January too.

We got extremely lucky this virus isn't more virulent considering how infectious it is.

Generally speaking viruses usually mutate into LESS deadly versions of themselves

Thats what happened with the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic, it mutated into lesser and lesser deadly strains. In fact one of the strains of the seasonal flu we currently get each year is in fact that the Spanish flu virus, but its much less deadly now than it was in 1918 due to mutation.

Dmitry said...
Anyway great news that some common anti bacterials seem to be anti virals too. By the way if Doxy docks into Covid Mino should too. There were aged reports that mino is an antiviral.

I would not recommend minocycline if you get covid. It's immunosuppressive and in my experience tends to make viral infections worse. I was taking it when I got covid and it didn't help.

wow, super interesting study here!

The identified three natural compounds that could disable the covid virus.

Somebody said...


The Mpro protein has shown to be crucial and highly potent target for the inhibition of novel COVID-19. This study concludes three natural compounds (ursolic acid, carvacrol and oleanolic acid) as potential inhibitors against Mpro. Molecular docking analysis revealed that Carvacrol molecule having less binding energy as compared to other two molecules, oleanolic acid and ursolic acid. The binding mode of interaction was found to be reasonably good. MD simulations revealed that all three docking complexes showed stability at 50 ns. These inhibitors also fulfil the ADME parameters as well as Lipinski’s rule of five. All these reported compounds are natural and also commercially available for further in vivo/in vitro validations. The information generated from this present study may be utilized in future for the development of more phytochemical based therapeutics against COVID-19.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7284142/

so its - ursolic acid, carvacrol and oleanolic acid. And oregano oil, sage oil, and rosemary oil are the EO's that contain these chemicals. I will be doing more research on this. If you are worried about Covid then get a nebulizer and neb those EO's, thats what I would do.

So far ive known three to get Covid-19..

My co-worker has not returned yet after developing symptoms just before July 4th. Last I heard he was not in the hospital. Work says do to HIPPA privacy, they wont tell us and are not required to say what his story is. No one else caught it at work. He had the week off as vacation prior to getting ill,. Thats still close though.

A relative had it and lot 25 lbs in two weeks, he wasn't overweight either. He got it from his mother who caught it while in the hospital for something else.

Those studies for HCQ were mostly in the severe stage of Covid (studies had multiple problems as I mentioned earlier), Lapis_29, and most doctors agree that HCQ is most effective in early disease or for prophylaxis. The Henry Ford study might indicate that HCQ has some affect at a later stage of the virus.

We're basically saying about HCQ what you're saying about EO's for Covid except that HCQ has more of a track record for being effective (yes, it needs a prescription, but it's cheap and could be widely prescribed). Use HCQ protocol in high risk patients in first 5 days of symptoms, and evidence shows you could greatly reduce deaths and hospitalizations.

Dr. Harvey Risch brings out in following interview that FDA has a long history of using drugs w/o having RCTs. Half of chemotherapy drugs are used w/o RCTs. Amoxicillin was never established with RCT before it was used. He also brings out that the studies need to be done with the right people - high risk. Apparently, the Minnesota study (done in earlier stage of disease) was not done in high risk people. There were other issues with this study as noted in my earlier post.

He says that "randomized control trials in the real world are not gold standard. That is a theoretical idea that does not play out in the real world."

His CNN interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_v-ivmy5wq&list=plr8f_swwzprsxd3rbhh_8agxrkjz15ire&index=41&t=0s

Dr. Risch is able to explain more why he believes HCQ is effective in the following interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mceoom_5dps&list=plr8f_swwzprsxd3rbhh_8agxrkjz15ire&index=41

By Dr. Harvey Risch:

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

Treating high risk people early and keeping them out of the hospital is a good and caring strategy.

Post Edited (ChristianWithLyme) : 8/6/2020 8:27:41 AM (GMT-6)

ChristianWithLyme said...
Those studies for HCQ were mostly in the severe stage of Covid (studies had multiple problems as I mentioned earlier), Lapis_29, and most doctors agree that HCQ is most effective in early disease or for prophylaxis. The Henry Ford study might indicate that HCQ has some affect at a later stage of the virus.

We're basically saying about HCQ what you're saying about EO's for Covid except that HCQ has more of a track record for being effective (yes, it needs a prescription, but it's cheap and could be widely prescribed). Use HCQ protocol in high risk patients in first 5 days of symptoms, and evidence shows you could greatly reduce deaths and hospitalizations.

Dr. Harvey Risch brings out in following interview that FDA has a long history of using drugs w/o having RCTs. Half of chemotherapy drugs are used w/o RCTs. Amoxicillin was never established with RCT before it was used. He also brings out that the studies need to be done with the right people - high risk. Apparently, the Minnesota study (done in earlier stage of disease) was not done in high risk people. There were other issues with this study as noted in my earlier post.

He says that "randomized control trials in the real world are not gold standard. That is a theoretical idea that does not play out in the real world."

His CNN interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_v-ivmy5wq&list=plr8f_swwzprsxd3rbhh_8agxrkjz15ire&index=41&t=0s

Dr. Risch is able to explain more why he believes HCQ is effective in the following interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mceoom_5dps&list=plr8f_swwzprsxd3rbhh_8agxrkjz15ire&index=41

By Dr. Harvey Risch:

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

Treating high risk people early and keeping them out of the hospital is a good and caring strategy.

Right, every single time another study comes out that once again shows HCQ does nothing at all its the same thing "well you didn't use it at the right time or with the right population or at the right dosages or with the right companion meds etc etc etc"

I mean if this only works on a specific section of the population, at a specific time in, under specific circumstances and then it only works somewhat...well I got news for you - its pointless!

Especially when other meds work better without all that added nonsense.

Like I said before its clear you believe in HCQ like its a religion. Nothing is going to change your mind likely because you bought into the propaganda and now can't let go of it.

Lapis_29 said...


However, if you have a mild to moderate case not severe enough for prescription meds then why not try the EO's that this study shows will likely be effective? It likely won't harm and very possible might help.

Because this is literally the same EXACT argument that you condemn! Just like your EOs are show to work in the study you point to, HCQ has been shown to work in the studies that CWL points to...similarly both in mild to moderate cases, and similarly they both "likely won't harm and very possible might help".

At the end of the day, CWL makes the same argument as you. Its a generic pill that costs next to nothing and won't hurt, and there are some saying it may help, so why not? And yet you "buy into the propaganda" that if she makes that same argument, she's a dolt and an idiot who must be censored and sneered at. You bought the other side's propaganda.

Somehow you cant see that you are just as biased as she is, and prone to making the same exact mistakes, but also somehow you still maintain the intellectual superiority. Can't make this stuff up. smh

Post Edited (FeelingLeftOutGal) : 8/6/2020 9:19:44 AM (GMT-6)

FeelingLeftOutGal said...

Because this is literally the same EXACT argument that you condemn! Just like your EOs are show to work in the study you point to, HCQ has been shown to work in the studies that CWL points to...similarly both in mild to moderate cases, and similarly they both "likely won't harm and very possible might help".

At the end of the day, CWL makes the same argument as you. Its a generic pill that costs next to nothing and won't hurt, and there are some saying it may help, so why not? And yet you "buy into the propaganda" that if she makes that same argument, she's a dolt and an idiot who must be censored and sneered at. You bought the other side's propaganda.

Somehow you cant see that you are just as biased as she is, and prone to making the same exact mistakes, but also somehow you still maintain the intellectual superiority. Can't make this stuff up. smh

comparing HQC to EO's is apples and oranges. HCQ is a prescription drug only available via a hospital with negative side effects, etc

EO's are something you can get off amazon, is cheap, and has nearly zero negative side effects.

These are not the same thing. And furthermore if you have sever covid, don't use EO's, go to the hospital and use the meds that work.

If a RCT study came out showing EO's don't work, I would accept that. For the HCQ crowd though, NOTHING will prove you wrong. You just have glommed onto HCQ and won't let go no matter how much evidence there is against it.

ChristianWithLyme said...
This is the website from which the info was taken. Each can evaluate and make their own opinion.

https://hcqtrial.com/

I mean its almost funny.

A 2 billion number of RCT eh? SMH....

China cracked down on this virus so hard you can't even imagine. Their lock down was epic on a scale most American's couldn't conceive. That is why they are now doing fine, not because of freaking HCQ.

And NOW we have the same person that touted HCQ as a miracle cure saying that children are immune from COVID...very scary...we just had a 7 month old infant pass away from the virus in my state. I guess it’s very easy to get a medical degree now????

Post Edited (blueize) : 8/6/2020 10:43:54 AM (GMT-6)

Canada has had one child die under the age of 20 out of almost 10,000 cases. The data is very clear, children are less likely to contract it, and much less likely to die.