Morning torture- 3 yrs- am I the only one

Mornings have been terrible for me - they are quite a bit better but still not great.

Anxiety, despair, some sweating, dark thoughts, shivers down my spine, pain.... etc

i couldve written your post...have dealt with for 4 yrs, last 2 every morn...i think its started with bart....if its not adrenals, i think its related to mcas...its as if my body wakes up and after 5 minutes my immune system goes on its fight/flight/freeze thing...it most affects me on one nerve down right ear throat rt shoulder blade all the way to butt.......tingles up spine and tightening, releases stomach acid...deep ache in legs, tingling feet....terrible anxiety, hopeless...i try to deep breathe through it to help get out of fight or flight...i have anecdotally noticed that sometime if i take a xanax or antihistamine or med marij before bed it will reduce the levels in morning....which makes me think its overactive immune system with a bad memory freaking every morn...all three of those are h1 blockers (mmj is mast cell blocker),

Post Edited (dbwilco) : 8/15/2020 10:47:22 AM (GMT-6)

Is this symptom from infections??? - yes, but maybe not 100%. infection magnifies what was already wrong too.

Drs are too slow at this and just do trial and error weather using drugs or naturals.

Need sleep. I used benadryl at night too. To reverse the fog/Grogyness from it I used a choline (there is reason for this). Most need more than I did. Without further depth, the cause and effect are part of the Crebs cycle.

Other sleep stuff , even Rx, did minimal.

5htp is cheap and easy to try, even walmart has it, ....it wont stay in your body for more than about one day. To much makes you dizzy and spacy.

Gut is where amino acid serotonin starts and moves up into your brain via protien transporters. Bad gut- low serotonine = anxiety and or depression.

Girlie said...
Mornings have been terrible for me - they are quite a bit better but still not great.

Anxiety, despair, some sweating, dark thoughts, shivers down my spine, pain.... etc

Did you start NAC?

Thanks for all the input.

I was up in middle of night last night for several hours.
I was stressed but it never surged like it did once the specific right time hit.

In middle of night I desperately tried hhtp.
Can't say what it did. I did dream a lot.

I'm thinking of taking it in the morning,

But I know people take it to help with sleep so not sure on timing it.

Thanks so much asto. I can't thank you enough.

Those herbs will help calm and sleep I know but will they hit this particular thing?

I'm so spent on trying supplements/ herbs. It's like Ive been beaten down.

Did you do ABX at all?

I feel like I have to hit it before it happens. That would mean taking something in early hours or under pillow .

Would niacin work like that... under pillow.

I dont know that this is technically anxiety or depression. I mean that is a lot of that there but when I dont think and just observe, it's a body expierience a physical thing that overcomes at a particular time ( 7-8 am then I lay there for couple hours... two three... waiting to feel better.
Then I deal with the brain fog or something else.
Really I don't know what to call it. That's why I try to explain it every time. ( The first time I had brain fog I didnt know what the heck was happening or what to call it. )

I don't think regular anti anxiety or depresssnts will help. But I am cluless at this point and just want to find someone who has the key.

Will taking 5htp in the am after it's started still possibly help. ?

There's a window of time where this happens.

Orbit. Glad LDN is helping you. I can't imagine dealing with this for so long. Will you have to take it forever or is it changing something? I bet that's expensive out of pocket. I don't have LLMD at moment but think I may have to choose one. I'm treating mold but it's not helping...

I started to keep supps under pillow so I can easily take them in the early hours before I really wake up so I can try to stop the surge before it happens.

For example I keep phosphetalserine tablets under my pillow and grab then when I'm still half sleeping, just rolling around with the hopes that it will one day stop the "?" from happening.

I tried with holy basil but fou d I was getting heartburn in my chest.

The AM "serge" is cortisol. HB will help, but you can burp basil if laying down after or without food.

I (unfortunately) naturally have upper limit levels of cortisol even when Im not stressed, which Ive had tested every possibly way in conventional and natural healthcare.

HB really helps me in stressfull times, so does the Rx Propranerolo (it lowers cortisol output) which I have in the past adjusted use accordingly (you can do that).

Benadryl (diphenhydramine) does have some recent scary research findings. It temporarily lowers acetylcholine or Choline which is the predecessor to acetylcholine. Funny thing is, this is similar to how nicotine works (it blocks those receptors). Caffeine does the opposite. This combined with alzheimer's genes is not good. Lucky for me, I tested that and dont have it.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/19/2020 11:34:21 AM (GMT-6)

“ Another thing, If this happens at wake up time, let's say 7:00AM.... what if you set your alarm at maybe 6:00AM. Does your body behave differently? “

Good question - I found that on the days I set an alarm I usually didn’t have the anxiety/sweating on wakening.

Mine has improved from treating the infections
Don’t lose hope.

I didn’t sweat this morning - but had a little anxiety.
The CNS is still calming down - it will take awhile

Saliva . Four point. (4x in one day)

It was on a "better " day less extreme. I was taking adaptagens and felt a bit better so I stopped taking them. tried them again but haven't felt" better".

Would repeat but it's like 250 and maybe I am just chasing my tail.

" Better" means less extreme but still there. Haven't had a day without in almost 3 years. Some days a little less than others.

Meds are controversial, and rightly so. They save lives when used prudently in the context of holistic healthcare, but they can be damaging otherwise. I do not think that an SSRI will be helpful for you, as they can take months to work, often have side effects, and can disrupt neurotransmitters in the longer term. There's no way to know which one will help which person, so it's a months-long (or years-long) chemistry experiment while you try different ones. Also, with our ranges of health issues, your prescriber should be a good psychopharmacologist, and those are hard to find.

Some will disagree with me, but I think it might be worth trying a benzodiazepine - very tiny dose (maybe a low dose broken in half) - as a "rescue" med taken as needed in the morning. Alternatively, setting an alarm and taking one at 4 a.m. or so (then going back to bed) might be enough to break your body out of its torturous cycle in only a week or so. A very low-dose benzo, taken on a very temporary basis or occasionally as needed, might give your nervous system a much-needed break while you continue with other types of treatment. Benzos are addictive, so I understand people's reluctance to take them, but I have seen them used responsibly many times with proper support.

My professional background includes counseling people with trauma histories, and for many of them, the beginning of treatment was very harrowing, as they were having to remember and mentally relive their trauma, and that can be destabilizing and cause panic and anxiety. In order to allow people to continue with therapy, sometimes it was necessary to stabilize them with a low-dose benzo for a few weeks (or taken occasionally as needed) so that they could handle therapy. While I know that addiction is a risk, I never had any clients develop an addiction with this type of targeted, supported protocol.