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Posted 9/17/2020 3:22 PM (GMT 0)
You can Google it, Lapis_29, and find sizes for different particles.

Here is youtube video of Tucker's interview with Coronavirus whistleblower. She believes CV-19 was created in military lab in China and if I recall correctly believes it was released intentionally (please watch to be sure of this). Some are skeptical, but her Twitter account was suspended just recently which makes you think she is a threat to someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qflqxpl_hzq

Dr. Siegel on Tucker said the other night that Dr. Fauci and Dr. Redfield both have cozy relationships with Chinese scientists. Makes me wonder if Dr. Fauci and Dr. Redfield are guilty of spreading Chinese propaganda, especially considering their comments and flip-flopping. Are Dr. Fauci and Dr. Redfield someone's puppets?
Posted 9/17/2020 3:38 PM (GMT 0)
Wow so we went from the antichrist. To now Fauci and Redfield are to blame for spreading Chinese propaganda.

I wonder what it will be next week.
Posted 9/17/2020 4:24 PM (GMT 0)

ChristianWithLyme said...
You can Google it, Lapis_29, and find sizes for different particles.


Are you understanding how the virus is contained in droplets? That's sorta the key to the effectiveness of cloth masks.

ChristianWithLyme said...
Here is youtube video of Tucker's interview with Coronavirus whistleblower. She believes CV-19 was created in military lab in China and if I recall correctly believes it was released intentionally (please watch to be sure of this). Some are skeptical, but her Twitter account was suspended just recently which makes you think she is a threat to someone.


She's being called a whistle blower because she claims China knew of person to person transfer in December 2019 and kept it a secret. She does not have any inside info on the Wuhan lab or on the supposed creation of the virus. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"... I haven't watched the video yet but she doesn't seem to have any evidence. Here's what it says on Wikipedia:

"Later in September, Yan co-authored a pre-print research paper named "Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route."[26] Three other researchers were listed as co-authors, but the SCMP was unable to find any prior work from them.[27] The paper was uploaded to the Zenodo website, an open-access repository where anyone can post their research.[28] The paper is affiliated with the Rule of Law Society, founded by Steve Bannon and Guo Wengui.[26][28] The Rule of Law Society had not previously published scientific or medical research.[28] Yan had previously appeared on Bannon's "War Room" podcast.[27][28]

According to the paper's abstract, "SARS-CoV-2 shows biological characteristics that are inconsistent with a naturally occurring, zoonotic virus" and that it could have been created in a lab in approximately six months.[29][30] According to Newsweek, several experts in evolutionary biology and infectious disease, including Jonathan Eisen and Carl Bergstrom, said the paper did not include new information, contained multiple unsubstantiated claims and had a weak scientific case.[26] According to Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University, the paper was "basically all circumstantial and some of it is entirely fictional".[28]

After describing her newly published research paper in a Fox News interview with Tucker Carlson in mid-September 2020, Yan said she believed the Chinese government intentionally released the virus.[31] Instagram and Facebook flagged posts of the interview on Tucker Carlson Tonight as false information about COVID-19, saying that they repeated information “that multiple independent fact checkers say is false.”[32]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/li-meng_yan

Mike Pompeo said in May that the US had 'enormous evidence' that the virus was made in a Wuhan lab. Still waiting on that evidence as well...
Posted 9/17/2020 4:25 PM (GMT 0)
Sigh...

That report was a fake study funded by currently arrested for fraud Steve Bannon. The org that published it has never once published a single scientific study. Its not peer reviewed and appears in zero journals.

Its a fraud, its the definition of fraud.

I challenge them to get it peer reviewed. They won't because it would be ripped to shreds. It exists purely to get people all worked up and emotional about China, thats it.
Posted 9/17/2020 4:28 PM (GMT 0)

ChristianWithLyme said...
You can Google it, Lapis_29, and find sizes for different particles.

CWL: once again you don't exhale individual viri, you exhale droplets with thousands of viri in them. And those droplets are many many many times large than smoke particles.
Posted 9/17/2020 6:28 PM (GMT 0)
This article supports mask wearing but promotes an aerosol spread also (aerosols much smaller than droplets). Yes, I get what you're saying now, though I'm not sure that we know everything about how this virus spreads. And if masks are so effective, why do we have spikes of cases/deaths in areas after mask mandates are initiated?

"The second possibility for how COVID-19 spreads is through droplets, small bits of saliva or respiratory fluid that infected individuals expel when they cough, sneeze, or talk. Droplets—which the WHO and CDC maintain is the primary means of transmission of COVID-19—are propelled through the air, but fall to the ground after traveling 3-6 feet. However, published research, which has been replicated, shows that droplets are only important when coughing and sneezing. But when it comes to talking in close proximity, which appears to play a major role in COVID-19 transmission, droplets are less important than the third potential pathway: aerosols. Many diseases, including COVID-19, infect most effectively at close proximity. Since droplets are visible and fall to the ground between 3-6 feet, we can readily see and understand this route of infection. In fact, it was thought for decades that tuberculosis was transmitted by droplets and fomites, based on ease of infection at close proximity, but research eventually proved that tuberculosis can only be transmitted through aerosols. I believe that we have been making a similar mistake for COVID-19.

“Aerosol” (sometimes referred to as “airborne”) transmission is similar to droplet transmission, except that the bits of fluid are so small that they can linger in the air for minutes to hours. To understand the scale of aerosols, the diameter of a human hair is about 80 microns, and aerosols smaller than about 50 microns can float in the air long enough to be inhaled. SARS-CoV-2 is only 0.1 microns in diameter, so there is room for plenty of viruses in aerosols."

https://time.com/5883081/covid-19-transmitted-aerosols/#:~:text=droplets%e2%80%94which%20the%20who%20and,important%20when%20coughing%20and%20sneezing.

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Posted 9/17/2020 6:30 PM (GMT 0)
Interesting analysis - nasal mucosa T-cells:

https://threader.app/thread/1306627942978596865

According to Leslie Butler:

"As an epidemiologist I've been saying this all along -- positive equals exposure and possible immunity not disease. A case has to meet case definition and therefore have symptoms. This is why there is no asymptomatic transmission. Back to normal and stop the politics"

https://twitter.com/lwbutler

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Posted 9/17/2020 6:51 PM (GMT 0)
Further, the researchers found that asymptomatic patients carried the virus nearly as long as symptomatic patients. Almost 34% of the asymptomatic patients tested negative for the novel coronavirus after 14 days, and that percentage grew to 75% after 21 days. In comparison, 29.6% of the symptomatic patients tested negative after 14 days, and just under 70% tested negative after 21 days.

Discussion
The researchers' findings suggest that asymptomatic coronavirus patients "don't look any different from the symptomatic population" in terms of the viral load they carry, Marta Gaglia, a virologist at Tufts University who was not involved in the study, said. As a result, "[t]here's no actual reason to believe a priori that they would transmit [the virus] any differently," Gaglia explained.

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/08/10/asymptomatic
Posted 9/18/2020 1:41 AM (GMT 0)

potsnpans said...
..care to summarize, gfields?

If you watch from 5:33 to 10:00, you'll see the interview with the Wuhan lab whistleblower.
Posted 9/18/2020 1:48 AM (GMT 0)
It's been my experience that "fact checkers" like snopes are working for propagandists. Also, wikipedia works for propagandists. They will distort "facts" to suit a particular narrative. Try to edit a wikipedia article, and see what happens.
Posted 9/18/2020 2:35 AM (GMT 0)

gfields said...
Also, wikipedia works for propagandists. They will distort "facts" to suit a particular narrative.


Check out the references for that particular wiki article. I don't think there can be any dispute about it's content, and it makes Tucker Carlson look incredibly irresponsible...

From his interview: "I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you are not an anti-Chinese racist, so it's not clear why Twitter would be shutting you down or why you are being ignored by the US media."

Not clear? Are we to believe he didn't research any of this before having her on?

At the end of the interview he says he "sincerely hopes she will be doing many interviews in US media and explaining this in much greater detail."

Gee thanks for your help, Tucker.. I guess it was never his intention to broadcast the details. Figuratively, he just wanted to trash the place and leave.
Posted 9/18/2020 3:03 AM (GMT 0)
I can't take anyone seriously that goes on a Fox "News" show. Especially Tucker Carlson. I don't care about their politics, but it's an entertainment show on a propaganda network. It's not journalism.

That aside, information is so politicized and weaponized right now it's really hard to sort through all the intentionally misleading stories to find some truth. Most of the seemingly legit information that I have read on the science blogs points to Covid 19 not being man made, but knowing that it is possible to make a virus in a lab I will keep an open mind.

We now know that Lyme was likely released intentionally or unintentionally from a US lab which until recently I had written off as unlikely.
Posted 9/18/2020 3:58 AM (GMT 0)
Vitamin D can help reduce coronavirus risk by 54%: Boston University doctor
The sunshine vitamin is easy to find and relatively cheap

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/09/17/vitamin-d-can-help-reduce-coronavirus-risk-by-54-boston-university-doctor/
Posted 9/18/2020 4:19 AM (GMT 0)

MarkD said...
I can't take anyone seriously that goes on a Fox "News" show. Especially Tucker Carlson. I don't care about their politics, but it's an entertainment show on a propaganda network. It's not journalism.

That aside, information is so politicized and weaponized right now it's really hard to sort through all the intentionally misleading stories to find some truth. Most of the seemingly legit information that I have read on the science blogs points to Covid 19 not being man made, but knowing that it is possible to make a virus in a lab I will keep an open mind.

We now know that Lyme was likely released intentionally or unintentionally from a US lab which until recently I had written off as unlikely.

There is a lot of literature out there that this is a human-made virus. There is a key term associated with it called "gain-of-function":
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/21/australian-researchers-see-virus-design-manipulati/

There was a scientific study from India reporting that pieces of the AIDs virus had been attached to the chimera virus to make it more infectious and virulent.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-nih-gain-of-function-research-decision-wasnt-partisan/

Here is a scientific paper:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220300528

From WHO (https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200723-covid-19-sitrep-185.pdf?sfvrsn=9395b7bf_2):
This variant has an amino acidchange from Aspartate (D) to Glycine (G) in the spike protein. The spike protein is critical to the attachment and entry of the virus into human cells by attaching to the ACE2 receptor. It has been suggested that the “D614G” mutation might make the virus more transmissible and research is currently ongoing to assess this.

There is no relationship between a chimera virus and the AIDs virus. There is no way in nature that these two things could have combined naturally. Also, scientists can identify genetically modified organisms and there have been several reports that this was genetically modified.

Chapel Hill NC is likely the origin of the virus:
https://research.unc.edu/2020/05/06/unc-chapel-hill-is-a-global-epicenter-for-research-on-coronavirus-and-covid-19/

https://www.wral.com/unc-researchers-have-studied-coronavirus-for-years-now-working-on-possible-treatment/18912862/

Do some research on Ralph Baric.
Posted 9/18/2020 5:00 AM (GMT 0)
Here we go. Direct from Cold Harbor Spring Laboratory:

Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1


"The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus."

Post Edited (gfields) : 9/17/2020 11:06:13 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/18/2020 3:39 PM (GMT 0)
gfields: I'm not finding anything in those links you posted. The last link seems to be the only one that addresses the possibility of sars-cov-2 being genetically modified, but it wasn't actually published literature. It was a pre-print that was withdrawn in early February shortly after it had been posted...

"This paper has been withdrawn by its authors. They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of the results. If you have any questions, please contact the corresponding author."
Posted 9/18/2020 4:06 PM (GMT 0)
"gain of function" does not mean manipulated by man. It just means a mutation occurred which caused the virus to gain a function it didn't have.

Happens ALL the time. When HIV jumped from monkeys to human somewhere around 1910 it had gain of function.

Same with the so called Spanish flu virus jumping from pigs to humans. And now covid jumping from bats to humans. Thats how these things work. Saying because it had gain of function that means humans manipulated it is simply not correct.

Post Edited (Lapis_29) : 9/18/2020 10:17:56 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/18/2020 4:28 PM (GMT 0)
I think the suspicion comes from the proximity of the Wuhan lab to the initial outbreak, and the belief that there were "gain of function" experiments done there.
Posted 9/18/2020 4:36 PM (GMT 0)

Lapis_29 said...

CWL: once again you don't exhale individual viri, you exhale droplets with thousands of viri in them. And those droplets are many many many times large than smoke particles.

"Viri" isn't really a word, not in English at least. It is in Latin, but doesnt mean what you think it does...

Post Edited (FeelingLeftOutGal) : 9/18/2020 11:05:36 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/18/2020 5:04 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone actually read her paper? I read it the day it was released, before twitter took it down.

If i remember correctly she shows how all of the genetic code in the spike protein is enhanced. At the same time, most of the useful genetic code it shares w/ previous coronaviruses is exactly the same, while all of the inconsequential parts have mutated (i.e. to make it appear like a novel strain). She believes this pattern is unlikely to happen in nature, and explains why.

I have to say, it appears to be done in good faith (although it's possible its written to deceive people like me). But whether she's right or wrong or looking to con, she deserves to speak her mind The fact that scientific journals refuse to accept papers that run against the established narrative (in this case, that it evolved in nature, which is still not proven mind you), and the fact that twitter can use lack of peer-review to "censor" someone, is scary. It appears that "science" increasingly has to come from the "right" (or should I say left 😂) people, or it doesn't count. What happens when the outside the box thinker has the right next big idea?

Not to mention, I dont even understand how the origin of this thing got so politicized. I normally agree with your posts Potsnpans, but I dont get your criticism of Tucker's "not clear" comment. He used it as a turn of phrase, and it was pretty clear what HE meant.

And this is coming from a dude who cant stand Trump, and who actually got into an argument w/ Charlie55 on this board about the origins of coronavirus, where I argued he was talking conspiracy theory, and covid escaping from a lab is different from it being engineered in a lab. Not saying it was, but I think this story deserves fair discussion.
Posted 9/18/2020 7:41 PM (GMT 0)
note how she refuses to submit for peer review

notice how the only place that published it is owned by currently under arrest for fraud Steve Bannon

notice how she didn't even submit the paper to any respectable journal.

It all just screams fraud to me.
Posted 9/18/2020 9:22 PM (GMT 0)

dcd2103 said...
Has anyone actually read her paper? I read it the day it was released, before twitter took it down.

If i remember correctly she shows how all of the genetic code in the spike protein is enhanced. At the same time, most of the useful genetic code it shares w/ previous coronaviruses is exactly the same, while all of the inconsequential parts have mutated (i.e. to make it appear like a novel strain). She believes this pattern is unlikely to happen in nature, and explains why.

I have to say, it appears to be done in good faith (although it's possible its written to deceive people like me). But whether she's right or wrong or looking to con, she deserves to speak her mind The fact that scientific journals refuse to accept papers that run against the established narrative (in this case, that it evolved in nature, which is still not proven mind you), and the fact that twitter can use lack of peer-review to "censor" someone, is scary. It appears that "science" increasingly has to come from the "right" (or should I say left 😂) people, or it doesn't count. What happens when the outside the box thinker has the right next big idea?

Not to mention, I dont even understand how the origin of this thing got so politicized. I normally agree with your posts Potsnpans, but I dont get your criticism of Tucker's "not clear" comment. He used it as a turn of phrase, and it was pretty clear what HE meant.

And this is coming from a dude who cant stand Trump, and who actually got into an argument w/ Charlie55 on this board about the origins of coronavirus, where I argued he was talking conspiracy theory, and covid escaping from a lab is different from it being engineered in a lab. Not saying it was, but I think this story deserves fair discussion.

I would like to see this paper. Is it available some place else?

Folks seem very eager to defend the establishment narrative on this forum concerning COVID-19. I'm a little surprised being that we're all sick here from gov't engineered bioweapons.

We do all acknowledge the existence of bioweapon labs, don't we? Do we acknowledge the existence of a bioweapons lab in Wuhan? Do we acknowledge that there was a bioweapons lab on Plum Island? Do we acknowledge that these are facts?

If we acknowledge the existence of these labs, what do we think is going on in these bioweapons labs? To me, the term "bioweapons" sounds an awful lot like they're manufacturing biological weapons. Is it a stretch to think that they would have taken a virus and bioengineered it in a bioweapons laboratory? I mean, that is why they exist, isn't it?

They bioengineer crops all the time. That's where the term "GMO" comes from. Genetically Modified Organism. Why would we think it's such a stretch that they would genetically modify a virus?

Post Edited (gfields) : 9/18/2020 3:25:07 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/18/2020 9:41 PM (GMT 0)

potsnpans said...
gfields: I'm not finding anything in those links you posted. The last link seems to be the only one that addresses the possibility of sars-cov-2 being genetically modified, but it wasn't actually published literature. It was a pre-print that was withdrawn in early February shortly after it had been posted...

"This paper has been withdrawn by its authors. They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of the results. If you have any questions, please contact the corresponding author."

potsnpans - You say you're not finding anything in the links that I posted. What is it that you were looking for exactly?

Why do you think this scientific report was taken down by its authors? That, in and of itself, seems quite suspicious to me. It seems that there is a lot of careful research presented in that paper by cutting edge scientists in the field of virology. Cold Harbor Labs is a respected institution. However, it is quite inconvenient to have that paper floating around because it does not fit in with the MSM narrative. After all, what would the consequences be if China did, in fact, create a genetically modified virus that initiated a world-wide pandemic? Are we allowed to ask that question? I know we used to have freedom of speech in this country at one point. Not so sure if we do anymore. The USA seems more and more like China by the day. But that question seems to touch a nerve. The unspoken question. Well, let's ask it. Just for fun. Let's see what happens. If China did create a genetically modified virus, with pieces of the AIDs virus incorporated into it to make it more infectious. If they manufactured this virus in their state-of-the-art bioweapons laboratory. If they released the virus and created a world-wide pandemic that resulted in hundreds of thousands dead and an economic melt-down, what are the consequences of this action?

Is that an act of war?
Posted 9/18/2020 9:54 PM (GMT 0)

MarkD said...
I can't take anyone seriously that goes on a Fox "News" show. Especially Tucker Carlson. I don't care about their politics, but it's an entertainment show on a propaganda network. It's not journalism.

If you do locate a news provider in the USA that is not a propaganda network, I'd love to hear about them. All information we receive is weaponized in one way or another. Read Edward Bernay's book Propaganda and it will help to illuminate this point. The Brookings Institution is one of the main propaganda think tanks which feeds talking points to the AP, which gets distributed to all news outlets across the country. They didn't invest trillions of dollars in the news industry to provide us with human interest stories. That's for sure.
Posted 9/19/2020 1:48 PM (GMT 0)

dcd2103 said...
The fact that scientific journals refuse to accept papers that run against the established narrative (in this case, that it evolved in nature, which is still not proven mind you), and the fact that twitter can use lack of peer-review to "censor" someone, is scary. .


Was this paper refused by a scientific journal? I figured it got posted to Zenado to avoid peer review.

dcd2103 said...
Not to mention, I dont even understand how the origin of this thing got so politicized. I normally agree with your posts Potsnpans, but I dont get your criticism of Tucker's "not clear" comment. He used it as a turn of phrase, and it was pretty clear what HE meant.


We know which political party in the US would most like to push this whole thing on China, and there surely are many people of Chinese origin who would like to damage the Chinese Communist Party in any way possible.. well the Wikipedia article made it pretty clear to me that politics are behind the paper, more so than science. The Rule of Law Foundation has not previously published any scientific or medical research. It was created by a billionaire Chinese exile at odds with the Chinese Communist Party, and is (was?) headed by Steve Bannon.

As for my criticism of Tucker Carlson.. Ok I admit it isn’t clear why Twitter suspended Dr. Li-Meng Yan's account.. but it's entirely clear why principled media outlets haven’t given her a platform. She has no inside information about this, just this sketchy research paper that was.. (from Angela Rasmussen in the Wikipedia article):

"basically all circumstantial and some of it entirely fictional".[21] For example the paper asserts that SARS-CoV-2 has a "unique" furin cleavage site in its protein structure "completely absent in this particular class of coronaviruses found in nature"; however Rasmussen says that many coronaviruses, including the 2012 MERS coronavirus, have these sites and that hence "This proves exactly nothing."

..and for Tucker Carlson to act like these reasons for "ignoring" her don't exist.. for him not to bring any of them up in his interview.. that is what I was calling "incredibly irresponsible".

I think what's being forgotten with this paper (and with the one gfields cited), is that researchers are usually the intended audience for pre-prints. I’m afraid the intended audience for this paper was really us.. the general public. Do you ever recall seeing a scientist on TV discussing findings that have not been peer reviewed? ...and when Tucker ends the interview in the way he did (paraphrasing) “Wow can you believe what she just said, ladies and gentlemen? I sure hope the media covers/scrutinizes this."
...You're the media! You're supposed to be doing that job right now! Of course Tucker Carlson is not dumb. I’m pretty sure he knew what he was doing there.

gfields said...
Is it a stretch to think that they would have taken a virus and bioengineered it in a bioweapons laboratory?


The "stretch" would be to say that sars-cov-2 is a bioweapon. I don't think anyone has said it's not possible for it to be a bioweapon, or a virus modified for other research purposes and accidentally released.. we just need evidence. I don't like being monkeyed around with whether it's by Mike Pompeo, or by Steve Bannon and a Chinese exile.

gfields said...
potsnpans - You say you're not finding anything in the links that I posted. What is it that you were looking for exactly?


Evidence. At the top of your post you said "There is a lot of literature out there that this is a human-made virus."

gfields said...
Why do you think this scientific report was taken down by its authors?


It wasn’t actually “taken down”. The full text can still be viewed at biorxiv.org. I already posted the reason that was given for the authors’ withdrawal, but here it is again:

“This paper has been withdrawn by its authors. They intend to revise it in response to comments received from the research community on their technical approach and their interpretation of the results. If you have any questions, please contact the corresponding author."

If there’s any legitimate evidence in this and/or in the other paper, I just don’t see how the scientific community could collectively decide on a cover up, let alone execute one.

gfields said...
After all, what would the consequences be if China did, in fact, create a genetically modified virus that initiated a world-wide pandemic? Are we allowed to ask that question?


We can ask it all day long. The problem is that it hasn’t been answered, and some are trying to make it seem as if it has, at least partially been answered.
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