What to treat first, heavy metals, parasites, Candida?

Hi everyone, I am wondering which one of my problems I should treat first. I am not getting too much improvement with my Candida symptoms despite treatment and I am thinking that heavy metals might be to blame. I have titanium rods in my back, lots of fillings and a double MTHFR mutation. I read that before you treat things like Candida and parasites you must first treat your heavy metal issues but I do not know where to start. Here is some info I found "When a person is loaded with heavy metals such as: mercury, aluminium, lead, nickle, arsenic, cadmium and others they will suffer from a array of health problems. The symptoms can manifest as any combination of the following and more: fatigue, depression, chronic pain, inflammation, poor memory, anxiety, constipation, poor digestion, autoimmune conditions and chronic infections. Toxic metals are so dangerous to the body that your body's innate intelligence will do everything possible to remove these poisons from the bloodstream and vital organs by storing the metals in fatty tissues. The body will often allow Candida levels to increase in order to use the Candida to absorb the toxic metals in the GI tract and thus reducing the amount that gets into the bloodstream". I did joined the AC Facebook group but because of money issues I can not afford to have all of my fillings or the metal in my back removed so I am unab,e to chelate. My biggest issues are derealization, migraines and intense emotions. Any advice would be apprciated!

Post Edited (CalmLittleBuddha) : 10/29/2020 1:39:18 PM (GMT-6)

You may want to get tested to make sure you dont have allergies to titanium.

I personally have worried about metals being the source of my inflammation and backup in my methylation and chemistry for a long time.

I've been diving deep into this the past week or so. Here's what I've learned. Outside of the Andy Cutler Chelation FB group, there is another group called Mercury Chelation. It is littered w/ people who got much worse tryin Andy Cutler. I was speaking w a gentleman yesterday who believed himself to have amalgam illness. He chelated for several months with low dose ALA+DMPS. Somewhere around half a year in something went wrong and he said that he suddenly found himself "10x worse, unable to function and very close to ending it all". There was a young man in the ACC group 3y ago who killed himself. One person told me that ACC is fantastic for 75-80% of the people who do it, you just dont want to be in that bottom 20%.

Most of these people who get worse make their way to other groups and methodologies. It seems that lots of people in that "Mercury Chelation" group are able to make progress with natural detox and binders, or some of these newer heavy metal detax tools like clinoptilolite or OSR#1. Those seem to be the two big ones.

Like I said, I've worried about this issue forever. I too have double MTHFR, screwed up gut, messed up Doctors Data metals test, and just a general feeling like something is gumming me up. I also got much worse in february after having my amalgams removed. I've always been too chicken to actually try chelation. Pretty much everything stimulates my autoimmune disease, and neuropathy is just hard to handle, so the thought of stirring up metals and aggravating it and dealing w/ redistribution is frightening. But the fact that TRS (clinoptilolite) seems extremely well tolerated, and you the fact that you can use it with amalgams in your mouth, makes me want to give it a go. I bought some, plan on giving it a go in a few months once I'm settled into this diet nicely (I also just restarted ivig and dont wnat to make too many changes at once). Just my $.02, no idea about any of it. If you told me it turns out that ACC was the only way, or that I dont have a mercury issue, or even that heavy metal poisoning was a total myth, i'd believe any of it, the whole thing is a mystery to me.

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 10/29/2020 4:48:10 PM (GMT-6)

No prob man. Def join the group and poke around a bit, let me know what you think. It's hard to make heads or tails of any of this, all you have to go on are people's anecdotes.

A couple of members actually recommended this guy to me:
https://www.solutionhealthcoaching.com/?fbclid=iwar3u9s4uwfnkeczw24sfsuzlq5paqxt5iimpx4dwpzjpmxygzwe_ndsjai4

Apparently he's quite good w/ metals and charges $100 for a telehealth consultation, so i figured i'd give it a go, see what he thinks.

As for MTHFR, I've experimented. I cant handle methyfolate. 1mg made me want to climb the walls. I went down as far as 40 MICROgrams, and even that was too much, I didnt sleep for 2 days. I assumed maybe I had a COMT issue too so couldnt methylate neurotransmitters, but it turns out that I just cant handle methyldonors, they increase my neurotransmitter levels too much. Phosphyditylcholine, SAMe, any methyl donor screws me up. Why I cant methylate neurotransmitters, i dont know, makes me think about mercury. According to my genetic genie i dont have a COMT issue. I've read that when you cant handle methyfolate, take Riboflavin, PC (I cant handle it) and creatine (60% of your methylfolate goes toward creatine production, so it naturally raises your methylfoate availability w/o forcing it on you). Creatine seems to help. But I live in NYC so getting a methylation panel done is absolutely impossible.

This is an absolutley fantastic resource if you want to get into the real nitty-gritty biochemistry behind methylation, i got pretty into it.

http://www.heartfixer.com/amri-nutrigenomics.htm#mthfr%20a1298c:%20%205,10-methylenetetrahydrofolate%20reductase%20(%c3%9e%20bh4)

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 10/29/2020 5:27:27 PM (GMT-6)

i heard that homeopaths believe the bacteria and such show up as result of the heavy metals , to survive off in a symbiosis and we must attain such with the organisms in which we host.

most included quackwatch don't agree with ionic foot detox baths but i believe they do help ... i've witnessed some nasty crap come out of mine and others . my dying cousins water came out blue ...

fwiw til my gut made dopamine i had to supplement with mucuna bean extract and ward off anxiety with holy basil on the regular...

Interesting. Another layer to the onion. Thanks for the perspective mark.

What do you think about clinoptilolite? It seems to be quite well tolerated from what I can tell I have tried to get people’s experiences just DMing them and they seem to really like it. One of my friends has been on 6m and loves it as well.

Finally, I know ACC really works well for you. I was curious if you think the risks to that as well are overblown?

clinoptilolite is a zeolite yes. Only know Andy’s research said no benefits but no harm. Not a Chelator and in fact may have HM contaminants itself,

I have to say many of the stories I read about ACC issues are real. However the cause is what you have to look at.

This is what I’ve seen.
* Not supporting your body enough. Main 4 supplements is pretty much mandatory. And adrenal. If you can’t tolerate or work up to the core 4, you pretty much can’t tolerate anything. Especially a Chelator.

* Not being a able to manage symtoms while Chelating. Anxiety being the most common. I’m a pretty level headed person but haD to manage anxiety ever since a improper removal 20 years ago. I had to dope up pretty good my first year of Chelation. Almost as much as my initial attacks.

* Histamine mass cell management. I Lived on Hydroxyzine my first year and does great for anxiety also.

This is one class and most don’t seem to be able tolerate OSR either if they have high anxiety and are supplement intolerant

Then you have the other class. Dive in too quick, dose too high, don’t follow the schedule. In general join the group and pick and choose parts of the protocol they want to . Also duel treat with known thing to avoid.

Last and Number 1 is specks and saddest but also most dangerous. Taking their own dentist word that they have none and in some cases. Or ignored advice are in rare cases just missed. Specks were not known to be a issue years ago apparently.

I’ve read tons of posts where people are struggling and admin points out they never posted xrays.

Hope this helps.

Mark,

Do you have knowledge of binders vs chelators? Do binders remove extracellular substances and chelators draw out metals from intracellular spaces?
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Zeolite and Pectasol-C reportedly bind to certain substances including some metals. They are not chelators. They are not going to pull metals out of your brain. I believe humic and fulvic acid may also be in this catagory. Microbe Formulas uses these in many of their products and says they can be used if you have amalgams. Pectasol-C was used in a study (put on by the inventor) that showed it removed a lot of lead and was beneficial for prostate cancer.

Anyway, it may be a good idea to try using a variety of these for a good while. They are also beneficial for other things like mold, pesticides, possibly endotoxins, zenoestrogens, etc.

If you haven’t consistently been on a variety of binders for at least 12 months, I would advise starting there instead of trying to jump into a dangerous chelation protocol. From what I have read, chelation is dangerous no matter what protocol you follow. Some are safer than others, but all have serious risks.

Am I understanding correctly? So the albert dude killed himself die to wt depression or something or suicidal because of the chelation? I've always wanted to try chelation bt hv been hearing so many stories about it it's scary

WalkingbyFaith said...
Mark,

Do you have knowledge of binders vs chelators? Do binders remove extracellular substances and chelators draw out metals from intracellular spaces?
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Zeolite and Pectasol-C reportedly bind to certain substances including some metals. They are not chelators. They are not going to pull metals out of your brain. I believe humic and fulvic acid may also be in this catagory. Microbe Formulas uses these in many of their products and says they can be used if you have amalgams. Pectasol-C was used in a study (put on by the inventor) that showed it removed a lot of lead and was beneficial for prostate cancer.

Anyway, it may be a good idea to try using a variety of these for a good while. They are also beneficial for other things like mold, pesticides, possibly endotoxins, zenoestrogens, etc.

If you haven’t consistently been on a variety of binders for at least 12 months, I would advise starting there instead of trying to jump into a dangerous chelation protocol. From what I have read, chelation is dangerous no matter what protocol you follow. Some are safer than others, but all have serious risks.

It’s my understanding that binders only bind what’s in your gut,

Also I don’t view ACC as dangerous in itself. It can be if you don’t follow the protocol guidelines. However, to be successful it’s like starting over. I don’t mess with Lyme, parasites or mold. Never did mold but it’s recommended you get out of a toxic mold environment before you start. I stopped all Lyme treatment 2 years ago with every intention of staring up again after awhile. Stuffs all sitting in a bin in my basement. I pull stuff out occasionally but more supplements I decided to start again.

Its tricky and you need to be on your A game and pretty much 100% dedicated to the protocol management. Pulling mercury out of your body create stress on your body. I take about $300 worth of supplements a month. This allows me to function somewhat normally while I chelate. I’m 2 years into what I expect now to take 5 years total. So 3 more years. This is on the longer side but I also Chelating for Lead. Turns out thats as much of a issue is mercury is for me,.