great video on fasting to cure lyme

dcd2103 said...
The video discusses his results 2m post, and I'd be curious for an update, but the improvements in his symptoms and quality of life were pretty impressive.

DCD, The video is from 2019. Did you see this update in its details section?


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THOUGHTS 1-YEAR AFTER FASTING:
With all infections (i.e. Borrelia, Bartonella, EBV, Chaetomium & black-mold, Morgellons, etc.), all heavy metals, conditions (retrovirus, kryptopyrroluria [KPU/HPU], etc.), and parasites still testing [and present] post-fast, I don’t think of fasting as a robust Lyme-infection elimination tool. However, I do consider it to be a most powerful tool for IMMUNE MODULATION, DEEP PHYSICAL RESTORATION & RESET, and an amazing tool for SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT.

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I did notice that Paul B. I'm one of those guys who isnt sure what my problem is. I dont think its spirochetes, could be a parasite or just the dysbiosis, candida,, too much toxcity i dont know, but i have low level chronic inflammation, so that really appealed to me (I hang out in this forum because even tho i dont think a spirochete is my problem, i believe lyme is just that, chronic inflammation, casued by a whole host of issues like i outlined above).

So almost 3 days in. My neuropathy has gone from an 8 to a 2. It stopped the flare in its tracks. I'm pretty sure the only pain i'm feeling is from residual nerve damage. Unfortunately, I'm experiencing pretty bad low back pain. This happened for the first month i went into ketosis, and the last time I did a 5 day fast. Is it an electrolyte problem? I've been pounding them. Or my body just doesnt like when its forced to "switch hardware" and consume ketones? I dunno, but it's better than the nerve pain. Clearly the nerve pain/inflammation is linked to my gut very intimately.

Babesia, i actually disagree with that. When I first got sick i developed SIBO. I went from 190 lbs down to 162 lbs. I used to eat a whole cheese pizza and continue to lose weight (true story). Then I went into ketosis, i first dropped weight down to 155, then as my stomach healed i stabilized and finally started to gain weight back. At one point I hit 175 lbs. So if I lose weight on the fast, I will gain it back and then some as the sibo/malabsorption/leaky gut improves is my thinking

Paul B can you elaborate on the lower back pain? That's what I'm experiencing right now. I get it at the start of every fast and when i did a ketogenic diet. I had suspected it could be due to low magnesium so have been upping my magnesium today. Was yours a chronic issue or was it only when you fasted? Did it respond to increased magnesium intake?

This is great information! So maybe it is a mag issue. I never have this back pain except when i'm in ketosis or fasting. When i started ketosis i had it for about a month straight. Like you i freaked out about kidneys, but i had a urinalysis and everything was fine. It must be an electrolyte problem, and possibly magnesium. I took a good amount of mag this am and its calming down, so maybe that was it.

I have to say this fast is really really helping my neuropathy. It's like night and day. I feel significant die off right now as I'm very bloated and having some loose watery stool. Have you ever taken activated charcaol on a fast? I dont think it should affect my fast/autophagy and may be exactly what i need right now w/ the die off/toxin release.

Have you had any side effects from the Ivermectin? Does it help at all? That's funny because that was my plan, to experiment w/ Ivermectin when the fast is over and then do a parasite cleanse w mimosa pudica followed by a liver flush. I need to get my gut and detox systems working properly, because its becoming increasingly clear that the worse my gut gets, the worse the inflammation, the worse the neuropathy.

dcd: I'm also following with interest! Kinda surprised you're still having any poo at all..

Personally I wouldn't mess with the activated charcoal - I'd just let nature take its course.

dcd2103 said...

Babesia, i actually disagree with that. When I first got sick i developed SIBO. I went from 190 lbs down to 162 lbs. I used to eat a whole cheese pizza and continue to lose weight (true story). Then I went into ketosis, i first dropped weight down to 155, then as my stomach healed i stabilized and finally started to gain weight back. At one point I hit 175 lbs. So if I lose weight on the fast, I will gain it back and then some as the sibo/malabsorption/leaky gut improves is my thinking

That's great that you were able to regain the weight that you lost despite your dysbiosis. Usually dysbiosis will cause malabsorption of nutrients which will inevitably lead to weight loss further down the road. If you add fasting on top of that you might end up in a vicious downward spiral.

Think of it this way. If you fast for a longer period of time you deprive your body and the parasites that it's harboring of valuable nutrients. Your parasites will be like what's for dinner? and the answer will be YOU! This could lead to an increase in leaky gut symptoms as well.

That's why it's better to get rid of the parasites and the dysbiosis first before experimenting with fasting. Just my 2 cents.

Post Edited (Babesia) : 6/17/2021 3:01:48 PM (GMT-6)

Update, approaching the end of day 4:

My neuropathy is very quiet for the first time since maybe february. It really is lowering inflammation. Only pain I'm having is due to nerve damage (little bit of stinging, 2/10, as opposed to burning when I have a flare. 2/10 is kind of baseline for me until i can figure this immune system out and the nerves heal). I could see how a fast could really turn things around. I dont expect a 4 day fast to have lasting results other than maybe spring boarding me into a healthier lifestyle, but I can imagine a 21 day fast doing something significant. I'm having some die off as well but that seems to be calming down.

Unfortunately, I'm still getting the intense lower back and hip pain that I got on my last fast and for the first month in ketosis, except its much worse. I'm upping my dosage of electrolytes and it seems to go away, and then return at night when I begin to get dehydrated. I barely slept last night, and I fear that this will prevent me from making it more than the minimum 7 days I set out to do. Ironically, hunger and headaches are not an issue. I feel great otherwise. If I could get this dang pain/insomnia under control I could see myself going the full 21 days.

interesting to hear of your progress dcd.

4 days is already an accomplishment

I wonder if the pain is some kind of reaction to going hard into ketosis from the fasting - as you will be purely burning fat for energy after 24hrs - and this can be hard on liver and kidneys initially.

its not very scientific but there is some discussion here about excess uric acid from ketoacidosis causing pain in lower back - this would seem to fit well with your previous v strict keto diet ( i recall you said you actually went too low on carbs initially ) - and also that drinking/electrolytes seems to help somewhat.
this person tried balancing his acid with bicarbonate and found it gave relief

https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/1h6kyr/solved_dull_kidney_ache_and_bladder_pain_from/

could be worth a try ....

I find my magnesium deficiency symptoms are much worse at night. It's not due to dehydration, because I'll typically drink a pint of water overnight, and I used to do more. Leg numbness and cramps are much worse, and the lower back pain is bad too, though not as aggravated because I'm not moving around. So I double the rate of Mg intake for overnight - I take 200mg at midnight and 200mg at 4am. The rest of the day it's 100mg ever 4 hrs, making for a total of 800mg.

Neither fasting nor ketosis. This is chronic stuff for me.

dcd2103 said...
So I think the sodium bicarbonate worked because a couple hours after taking it the pain went down and i took some more and it went away. If that’s what did it then this is a huge gamechanger because it was pretty bad and I was close to hanging it up. Thank you guys for the input!

Oddly enough the pee stick is still reading a ph of a 5.5

interesting - but as often the case not 100% clear whats going on - story of our lives eh?
but the good news is you can carry on another day at least

its already an achievement and each additional day is a victory
good luck dcd !

Update: Just hit the 7 day mark. I plan on going for a few more days. Back pain has improved a bit. I had some muscle relaxers which ive crushed up half a pill and put in water and taken and it got rid of pain for 12-16hrs, so seems like its a spasm.

Other things I've noticed: Insomnia is better now. Got a bit winded going up the stairs to my apartment. Have lost 8lbs, it appears its probably quite a bit water weight.

But the amazing part is the effect on my nerve pain is just amazing. I'm barely having any pain now, knock on wood, which hasnt happened in 2y since this began. The only sensation I'm feeling is the numbness on my feet, which is actually improving on this diet. I actually felt some sensation on my toes as they brushed across the blanket, which are normally mostly just numb (unless I go so far as to get a pin and prick them to see if i can actually feel anything, and even then its minimal). So basically i want to stay on this a few more days to see how much more feeling can come back. My god its amazing to have a little feeling down there, and it makes me so happy to actually know that the feeling can come back. You read about the fact that small fibers can regenerate themselves, but you dont believe it until you experience it. They always say these things grow back at 2mm/day, and you wonder then why the heck your feet are still numb. It seems like its because as long as the inflammation is still there, aint nothin gonna happen.

All of these positives being said, my expectations are tempered as I know at some point I will have to eat again, and the inflammation will come rearing back. Unless I can somehow figure out how to heal my microbiome and this leaky gut permanenty. I'm hoping to go from fasting to a more healthy eating again, so maybe I can do exactly that.

W/ the gut bacteria levels so low, now is the time to work on rebuilding the microbiome. I will be adding in PHGG/Inulin to feed the healthy bacteria, and eating a lot of fiberous vegetables and low carb fuel, but I'm not sure if I should be adding in probiotics as well. This would be the time for them to actually have a shot at colonozing, but then again I havent had such great experiences w/ probiotics, often causing flares. I may start w/the L reuteri yogurt as I reacted very well to that one.

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 6/21/2021 5:46:06 AM (GMT-6)

yep - really interesting - and fingers crossed for you dcd

i have wondered myself about what diet to go back to after fasting - and even what foods to break the fast with - even if i fasted even 10 days or more i would be wary of adding any carbs - as that seems to make everything worse for me - but at some time i would like to be able to eat them in moderation again.

when i have done liver flushes which are basically fasting for close to 20 hrs - i often have trouble with the bit of fruit that is advised as first meal afterwards....

i did read in several places that buhner recommends cabbage juice made in a juicer while fasting. it sounds a bit harsh to me - but i was interested as i ferment my own vegetables including sauerkraut - and one thing that always amazes me is how quick the lato bacteria ferment the cabbage if you squeeze it well so the juice comes out - so i wonder if maybe thats how it works when you drink it - like a big shot of lactobacillus and lactobacillus specific food - maybe it helps colonise ?

but then i have heard some people with gut issues actually have too much lactobacillus - (but not me acc to stool analysis ) hard to know

he mentions the cabbage along with other things here as part of a juice fast for IBS/ Crohns etc
http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/symptoms/unrelenting-diarrhea/

what do you plan to eat when you break the fast ?