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Posted 6/16/2021 9:33 PM (GMT 0)
Hello everyone,

I recently started Babesia odocoilei treatment. I'm building up to taking Mepron (Atovaquone) 2 tsp. 2x daily with ~25g of fat, Azithromycin 500mg 1x daily, Artesunate 100mg 3x daily (Arte-M by Zhang), Tafenoquine (working up to) 450mg/week, Lumbrokinase (working up to) 600,000 units 3x daily on an empty stomach, Allicin (highly stabilized) 1,500mg daily, liposomal oregano oil/cinnamon/clove by Doctor Inspired Formulations 2 capsules 1x daily (working up to 2x daily), and 2,000mg NAC daily with 2,000mg Liposomal Glutathione/alka-seltzer gold/lemon juice. Obviously, I'm also doing extensive detoxing protocols.


The questions I have is in regards to the physical actions that can be taken to help "shake" loose the Babesia nests. Does anyone have any recommendations for shaking the Babesia nests loose? I know doing things like: jumping jacks, jumping down a step, light exercise, massaging, stretching, and shaking your head helps shake things loose. But, has anyone ever done these things before? Which ones work? Has anyone ever done things like use a vibrating massager chair? Or, a massage hammer gun?

I'm just looking for anyone who has experience with "shaking" things loose and what works and what doesn't. I can't do very much exercise. I'm in the midst of herxing very badly. I can barely walk up a flight of stairs, so I need a shaking/vibrating method that I can do consistently, daily no matter how bad I feel.


If you have any recommendations or links other forums discussing this, or links to anything concerning this topic, please let me know. I would really appreciate it. Thank you so much for your help!

Also, if you're at all interested in my diagnosis/treatment just ask:

Undiagnosed for 8 years
Tested positive for Borrelia and Babesia ducani
Did Lyme and Babesia treatment for 2 years
Borrelia is gone.
Bartonella henselae, tested positive through T-Lab
Bartonella treatment for 2.5 years (all clear now, I've been in remission for 6-7 months)
Tested positive for Babesia odocoileus (first Babesia treatment lasted 8 months, Mepron and IV azithromycin for 8 months)
Posted 6/16/2021 9:41 PM (GMT 0)
Unfortunately you can't shake a parasite loose.

Exercise is good for other things though.
Posted 6/17/2021 9:15 AM (GMT 0)
How do you know for sure that Borrelia is gone with the tests being so unreliable?
Posted 6/17/2021 9:46 AM (GMT 0)
what are babesia "nests" ?
Posted 6/17/2021 12:54 PM (GMT 0)

PurpleLight said...
Unfortunately you can't shake a parasite loose.

Exercise is good for other things though.

Yes, I know you can't technically shake the parasite loose. I'm not looking to shake the literal parasite loose but the nests that the Babesia sequesters. They're very specific nests made with fibrin. The point would be to shake off the nests that are stuck to various aerobic parts of the vascular system. If you don't know about Babesia sequestration then I suggest you read about it. It's an important part of filling eliminating Babesia. Also, the only way to get Babesia out of the red blood cells is to lyse the red blood cells.

Also, exercise is good for other things, but I can't exercise right now. That will only make things worse.
Posted 6/17/2021 12:58 PM (GMT 0)

Babesia said...
How do you know for sure that Borrelia is gone with the tests being so unreliable?

I know it's gone by using reliable tests. I don't think I've used an ELISA or Western blot in well over 5-6 years now. I use Igenix, Galaxy, and T-Lab. Aperiomics also does some pretty good testing. Obviously, since they're all reliable labs none of the tests are covered by insurance, so these tests have cost thousands of dollars. But, ultimately worth it.

Actually, the Borrelia was by far the easiest to get rid of. It's been the Bartonella and Babesia that have besn difficult. But, I didn't have a difficult species of Borrelia to get rid of.
Posted 6/17/2021 1:26 PM (GMT 0)

Garzie said...
what are babesia "nests" ?

Babesia nests are the result of the Babesia sequestering. They build biofilm nests made out of Fibrin (an insoluble clotting protein) that attaches them to the lining of the aerobic part of the vascular system. Basically, they build a nest that is impenetrable and keeps them tucked away out of sight; which, is also part of the mechanism contributing to the symptoms. If you look up Babesia sequestration you can read about it and find someone pictures of Babesia lining the vascular system. It's a really important aspect of Babesia treatment, if you're looking to get rid of it. Otherwise, the nests holding the Babesia stay hidden throughout the body; including, staying hidden in the brain. There's a few articles on Google Scholar.
Posted 6/18/2021 11:38 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks - i am interested in Babesia persistence mechanisms - i hadn't come across much written about it in the studies i have seen so far - so will check that out
Posted 6/18/2021 11:40 AM (GMT 0)

owillie said...
. Aperiomics also does some pretty good testing. .

have you done any testing with them
if so
what was your experience ?
what was their support like ?
did the results make sense and fit with your other testing ?
Posted 6/26/2021 1:40 AM (GMT 0)
Ulumbro will get rid of the fibrin, also tafenquin has a 30 day or more half-life so be careful
Posted 6/27/2021 3:41 PM (GMT 0)

owillie said...

PurpleLight said...
Unfortunately you can't shake a parasite loose.

Exercise is good for other things though.

Yes, I know you can't technically shake the parasite loose. I'm not looking to shake the literal parasite loose but the nests that the Babesia sequesters. They're very specific nests made with fibrin. The point would be to shake off the nests that are stuck to various aerobic parts of the vascular system. If you don't know about Babesia sequestration then I suggest you read about it. It's an important part of filling eliminating Babesia. Also, the only way to get Babesia out of the red blood cells is to lyse the red blood cells.

Also, exercise is good for other things, but I can't exercise right now. That will only make things worse.

I'm guessing NAC for biofilms? Sweating it out is best for babs trust me. cryptolepis is used as an anti parasitic

Post Edited (MedicalNerd) : 6/27/2021 9:47:25 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/27/2021 4:16 PM (GMT 0)
I never did anything specifically to shake the Babesia nests loose.

Pretty sure Babesia is gone in my case
Posted 9/4/2021 7:46 PM (GMT 0)
You could get one of those muscle massager guns like the Theragun. They create a ton of percussion.
Posted 9/5/2021 6:12 AM (GMT 0)
I have no knowledge about babesia nests but we use a massage gun a lot and it's great. But if you are looking for something that will shake you I can recommend a vibration platform.
We got one for my girlfriend that cant exercise to help with the lymph system.
We got a smaller for one for about 300 $
https://trendrehab.se/produkt/miniplate/
Posted 12/8/2021 6:47 PM (GMT 0)
Hi- has your babesia o treatment been successful?
Posted 3/26/2022 8:12 PM (GMT 0)
I just saw Dr. Lindners talk at ILADS. His protocol is almost exactly what you are doing, except he used Rifampin instead of Azithrimycin. How are you doing? Is the herxxing bad? I'm going to start this program soon under the supervision of anLLMD who's versed in his protocol.
Posted 3/26/2022 11:33 PM (GMT 0)

BoulderLymie said...
I just saw Dr. Lindners talk at ILADS. His protocol is almost exactly what you are doing, except he used Rifampin instead of Azithrimycin. How are you doing? Is the herxxing bad? I'm going to start this program soon under the supervision of anLLMD who's versed in his protocol.

Welcome to the forum, BoulderLymie.
Posted 2/7/2023 4:24 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Owillie and Boulder Lymie. I'm also a Boulder Lymie. We may know each other. Owillie, how are you doing now? I've been on the Lindner protocol for 6 months and doing a little better. Shaking the nests the last few months. I'm using Boluoke/Lumbro. 4 caps per day. Tafenoquine @ 200 mg every week. The herxing is a little rough despite lots of detox protocols including IR Sauna 3X/week with red light therapy. Boulder Lymie, how are you doing, and what protocols are you following? Thanks all.
Posted 3/16/2023 2:19 PM (GMT 0)
Babesia in Boulder, Do you or did you also have bartonella? Do you mind my asking what your babesia symptoms are? I am having a hell of a time. I am currently treating bartonella and am on bactrim, rifampin, methylene blue, and liposomal cinnamon clove and oregano oil. I added Boluoke at one per day about 2 weeks ago, and after taking 1 per day for about a week all hell broke loose and bart symptoms that had improved came back with a vengeance and I slid down the proverbial ladder. I haven't touched it since last Friday and just feel like my baseline health is lower than pre-boluoke. Did this happen to you? Did you have to titrate up on boluoke? Just looking for insight....
Thanks
Katie
Posted 3/16/2023 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
for what its worth many people with bart and or babesia find they have intense herxing when they add fibrinolytic agents like lumbrokinase alongside antibacterial or antimalarial drugs

this is probably because fibrin is protecting the microorganisms from the immune system by forming a physical barrier between them. as you start to break that down with fibrinolytics your immune system is able to find more of the microbes - and you get the herx as a result.

so its a normal part of the treatment - Lindner writes about this - the fibrinolytic are important - you just have to go at a pace you can tolerate
Posted 3/17/2023 12:31 AM (GMT 0)
Hi folks, new to the forum. I wanted to check in here if any of the Lidner-protocol takers were able to provide an update as to how it's going?

I'm just finishing a six-week cycle of Tafenoquine and Azithromycin, no bio-film breakers. I'm expecting to go another round at least with the bio-film. The protocol has definitely given me some relatively really good days, but it's very up and down.
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