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Posted 8/22/2021 10:34 AM (GMT 0)
Hi guys,

I hope you are all faring well. I’m wondering if any of you can offer advice on eye relief? I’ve been doing quite well on my herbal protocol, ups and downs a bit like the stock market, but a slow and steady improvement. A few days ago, however, I began to notice tiny tiny flashes in my vision, a bit like black and white pixels when I look at blank surfaces, and some faint wispy floaters. Today my eyes are so dry they burn slightly. I tried to find Stephania as recommended by Buhner but it’s impossible to buy in the U.K. Dr. Rawls recommended Himalaya herbal eyedrops on his YouTube, has anyone tried these or anything else they thought worthwhile?

My GP doc, who is completely Lyme illiterate, told me anti-malarial meds can cause this so I panicked a bit because I’m taking Crypto and was taking Artemisinin, but herbalist said herbs work in an entirely different way and that it’s likely the Lyme. I see from the search on here that Bartonella can cause this also and I do have that so 🤷‍♀️
Posted 8/22/2021 7:29 PM (GMT 0)
For me this is a classic Bartonella symptom. The more active the germ is the more floaters I get and I also get the flashing lights when my eyes are closed. As I have treated some of it has gone away but it returns very very quickly.
Posted 8/22/2021 7:36 PM (GMT 0)

BrianinPA said...
For me this is a classic Bartonella symptom. The more active the germ is the more floaters I get and I also get the flashing lights when my eyes are closed. As I have treated some of it has gone away but it returns very very quickly.

Thank you Brian. Do you mind me asking what you treat it with?
Posted 8/22/2021 9:10 PM (GMT 0)
> it’s impossible to buy in the U.K.

Stephania
Posted 8/22/2021 9:47 PM (GMT 0)

Paul B said...
> it’s impossible to buy in the U.K.

Stephania

I had a look on Etsy and only found American tinctures, I didn’t think they’d make it through customs. Brilliant, thanks! There is an English seller :-D
Posted 8/22/2021 10:35 PM (GMT 0)
I have been having these symptoms so badly. My mom too. we both have lyme. we are both currently not treating except heavy consistent detoxing. but these flashes and floaters jsut got significantly worse the pat month or so.
Posted 8/22/2021 10:46 PM (GMT 0)

lymegirly said...
I have been having these symptoms so badly. My mom too. we both have lyme. we are both currently not treating except heavy consistent detoxing. but these flashes and floaters jsut got significantly worse the pat month or so.

I’m sorry to hear you’re both going through it too. You could try the Stephania eye wash maybe? I don’t think that would interfere with your detox.
Posted 8/23/2021 12:09 AM (GMT 0)
obvious question- any dental work?
Posted 8/23/2021 12:11 AM (GMT 0)
I have floaters and black flashes too.
My brain always interprets it as insects.
So I'm often like "was that a mosquito?".
It got a lot better on treatment.
But it came back, so now I have to treat again.
Posted 8/23/2021 1:31 AM (GMT 0)
I've had stinging and burning eyes from Bartonella, it's a symptom that only started when I was treating and herxing (from herbs) -- never had it before then. It felt like shards of glass being pulled out of my eyes, real fun. Thankfully it never lasted long. I have also had tons of floaters, which have diminished over time.

If you're treating then it's probably just a herx. Detox.
Posted 8/23/2021 3:26 AM (GMT 0)
I believe Sage Woman Herbs ships to the UK

They are a good company - on Buhners recommended list

https://www.sagewomanherbs.com/service/terms-and-conditions/
Posted 8/23/2021 7:16 AM (GMT 0)

magoo2 said...
obvious question- any dental work?

Nope.
Posted 8/23/2021 7:20 AM (GMT 0)

RainyCloud said...
I have floaters and black flashes too.
My brain always interprets it as insects.
So I'm often like "was that a mosquito?".
It got a lot better on treatment.
But it came back, so now I have to treat again.

Me too. I always think flys are whizzing past.
Posted 8/23/2021 7:24 AM (GMT 0)

orbitingaround said...
I've had stinging and burning eyes from Bartonella, it's a symptom that only started when I was treating and herxing (from herbs) -- never had it before then. It felt like shards of glass being pulled out of my eyes, real fun. Thankfully it never lasted long. I have also had tons of floaters, which have diminished over time.

If you're treating then it's probably just a herx. Detox.

I did wonder if it was a herx, only I wasn’t sure as I hadn’t changed anything treatment wise. It’s difficult isn’t it because you begin to wonder if the herbs are causing it. Last time I thought that and stopped the herbs I regretted it massively though!
Posted 8/23/2021 7:26 AM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
I believe Sage Woman Herbs ships to the UK

They are a good company - on Buhners recommended list

https://www.sagewomanherbs.com/service/terms-and-conditions/

Thank you!
Posted 8/23/2021 1:03 PM (GMT 0)
What herbs has everyone used to treat Bartonella?
Posted 8/23/2021 1:05 PM (GMT 0)

GemmaCJ said...

BrianinPA said...
For me this is a classic Bartonella symptom. The more active the germ is the more floaters I get and I also get the flashing lights when my eyes are closed. As I have treated some of it has gone away but it returns very very quickly.

Thank you Brian. Do you mind me asking what you treat it with?

I used Mino / Rifampin / Bactrim.
Posted 8/23/2021 1:10 PM (GMT 0)
The Buhner specific Bart herbs I’m using are:
Jap knotweed
Sida acuta
Milk thistle
And my herbalist also has me on:
Chinese skullcap
Cryptolepis
She said these help for Bart too. I’m on a lot of other supportive, Lyme and Babesia herbs too, but these are the ones she says specifically help for Bart. She seems to go off current symptoms but they keep changing.
Posted 8/24/2021 4:08 PM (GMT 0)
Japanese Knotweed on its own kills Bartonella and is immune modulating, meaning it will strengthen your immune system so it can fight. The entire first year I was treating with herbs I had new symptoms popping up all the time, I would just constantly cycle through stuff. It can be scary like "What the hell is this?!" But I would just log it and move on. I have had over 50 symptoms in total from Lyme and Bartonella and none of my symptoms were ever constant.
Posted 8/24/2021 4:30 PM (GMT 0)

orbitingaround said...
Japanese Knotweed on its own kills Bartonella and is immune modulating, meaning it will strengthen your immune system so it can fight. The entire first year I was treating with herbs I had new symptoms popping up all the time, I would just constantly cycle through stuff. It can be scary like "What the hell is this?!" But I would just log it and move on. I have had over 50 symptoms in total from Lyme and Bartonella and none of my symptoms were ever constant.

This is what I’m starting to notice too. I must be driving the herbalist mad because every time something new happens I contact her freaking out, or dash to the hospital where I receive ZERO help 😭😂 I’m still new to it all I guess and only just starting to understand the true nature of the beast. Did things begin to improve for you after that first year of herbal treatment? Funnily enough, after one of my meltdowns, the herbalist did kindly inform me that her patients are typically on the herbs for at least one year. I’d read Buhner’s comment that recovery is pretty much linear and was expecting far too much too soon.
Posted 8/24/2021 5:21 PM (GMT 0)

GemmaCJ said...
The Buhner specific Bart herbs I’m using are:
Jap knotweed
Sida acuta
Milk thistle
And my herbalist also has me on:
Chinese skullcap
Cryptolepis
She said these help for Bart too. I’m on a lot of other supportive, Lyme and Babesia herbs too, but these are the ones she says specifically help for Bart. She seems to go off current symptoms but they keep changing.

For Bart don’t forget Houttuynia
Posted 8/24/2021 5:41 PM (GMT 0)
[For Bart don’t forget Houttuynia

I did wonder about that one, she hasn’t put it in. I get 2 large bottles of tinctures with everything combined in them. I asked for some singles so I could determine what was sending me over the edge or not but she said she’d rather not as they work in synergy. The bog standard Lyme + Crypto mix they give to everyone is brilliant, I can feel that working straight away and have had no issues with it. The support mix she gives to me changes with symptoms, I’ve had problems with that one which I suspect is down to the Sida and Artemisia Annua. I’m trying really hard to trust her, but as I gain more confidence with herbs I’m wondering if I should just go with singles and do it alone. I might stick to the Lyme + Crypto mix and buy my own support stuff.
Posted 8/24/2021 6:47 PM (GMT 0)
I've been buying herbs off amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NCPMKNQ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0785GFGGR?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details
Posted 8/24/2021 7:30 PM (GMT 0)
“ I asked for some singles so I could determine what was sending me over the edge or not but she said she’d rather not as they work in synergy.“

But you can still take them together.
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