Having a tough time with Moderna vax #2, ten days later

First, I realize others here have worse things going on (me years ago), my health going backwards is kind of depressing after taking years to improve it.

Vax #2 hit me hard for 48 hrs, I posted on Sebs thread how much better I was after that. It was a good relaxing hr at a desk in AC. I was positively thinking it was near over. Not.

The days after reality: less symptoms , but still lingering, enough to make days / night difficult.

Last night (#10) It was hard to sleep in AC, I felt hot (no temp though), and woke with night sweats again. Days have slight headache sometimes, and hip / low back aches. Day ten was not much better than back days ...5 or 6.

Im worried about this partially due to having autoimmune, I hope it didnt get ramped up, but maybe thats whats happening. My thyroid was tested in range were I feel good at last month (highly experienced in that area), but I wonder if this vax pi$$ed off my thyroid.

Goggling this is depressing, hope I get back to where I was before this. Some of the "online / known" Drs have opinions, but those are only opinions.

Yes, hopefully this will lower my chances of getting covid, but autoimmune on autopilot is no fun either, hope thats not what happening.

Bummed, hope its just a slightly extended version of this vax's symptoms and not prolonged. Nothing like being a guinie pig.

thanks for reading and any ideas and or experiences.

Really sorry, astroman.

How about taking Ivermectin for a short while. It’s been used beneficially for immune modulation, COVID prevention, treatment, and COVID long haulers. It really is easily tolerated. I’ve had zero herxing or adverse side effects from it.

Hi astroman,

I'm so sorry you are going through this. I agree with WbF that taking Ivermectin will probably help. There is a doctor named Dr. Fleming who has a flow chart of what to take after a person has vaccine adverse effects:

Below is a flow chart which may be helpful to you.

https://21a86421-c3e0-461b-83c2-cfe4628dfadc.filesusr.com/ugd/659775_044e1d4d61c44b8eb25934d5e5b24453.pdf

https://www.flemingmethod.com/best-available-published-evidence

Hope you feel better,
Denise

astro please get some famotidine (pepcid).
There have been people completely bed ridden after the vaccine, they took famotidine and they recovered really fast.
You're body is inflamed from the vaccine and famotidine is an histamine H₂ receptor antagonist medication, it really helps. Why that receptor seems to help specifically, I don't know, but it really does. I know it's usually for heartburn but that is besides the point here.
I also second the Ivermectin recommendation.
And anything to thin your blood right now.
I'll pray for you.

PurpleLight said...
20 mg twice per day (40 mg total)

You’re referring here to Famotidine dosage right?

Mercola has, or had, a page up on how to deal with vaccine reactions, but I don't find it now. As I recall, it ironically involved many of the supplements advised for covid prohpylaxis, such as IVM, Vit D, C, Zinc, etc.

Good luck, brother. Praying for your recovery.

“ Isn’t Ivermectin medicine also an animal medicine probably available at the farm and feed store?”

- Yes, but you might have a hard time finding it.

Just wanted to say sorry and hope your feeling better soon!!

More Mercola info in Deejavu's post in this thread:

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4236597

Sorry to hear you are having issues. I've just started looking into LLPS. That stands for Liquid Liquid Phase Separation. It's basically studying the physics and intracellular dynamics of what happens inside our cells. RNA is a critical component in the biomolecular condensates that occur in LLPS. It's protein folding that forms membrane-less organelles. It is dependent on ATP and the vax just may be depleting ATP, especially if you push exercising. It is also modulated by melatonin. Perhaps the oxidative stress is adversely affecting your lipid rafts inside your cells?

If I were in your situation, definitely get the thyroid levels checked. I would limit exercise to try to improve ATP availability, and I would eat foods that contained the sugar fucose every day. Google can help you there. Fucose is a very important sugar that must bind our IgG for it to be effective. If you are producing a lot of IgG, you may not have enough. I would do a food sensitivity test to find out what foods cause an IgG reaction and avoid those foods. This could greatly lower inflammation. Anyone who has Lyme would benefit from this. I used Everlywell.com but there are others that can be used.

The PEG - polyethylene glycol in the vaccination may directly crowd the lipid raft formation inside our cells. Melatonin and Vitamin C would help stop this.

I'd start taking melatonin. It stops proinflammatory cytokine expression. Combine it with high doses of Vitamin C and I think that could greatly help your situation. I would take the liposomal form and shoot for 10 grams a day in multiple divided doses. The melatonin dose would vary for all of us, but I'd start with 2mg at bedtime and work up to 5 or 10 mg three times a day if needed. Combining these two agents together can directly increase ATP availability inside the cells and lower some of the problems you are having.

I hope you feel better.

about 99% of our melatonin is made in our mitochondria and not in the pineal gland as many believe.

10LymeB,
Thanks for that. I read an interesting article in there explaining why they are so desperate for 100% compliance. Makes sense.

Astroman,

Sorry your going through this. I hope you have a quick speedy recovery.

Discovering my heath crash was a vax injury was devastating. Its one of the reasons im not on this forum I have no faith in the AMA and very skeptical of pharmaceuticals so I thought it best just to not comment.

However I have a pretty good video on combating vax effects, specifically the Corona vax's. I'll admit I know about the old fashion Mercury and Aluminum ones and not well versed in this JAB.

However I find it ironic that the damage control being recommended is virtually identical.

Issue is its on Telegram and downloaded on my PC but dont know how to post it. I dont have URL. Its a MP4 file and 50mb.

Ill post with some help

Thanks for the info (everyone !!!)

Funny how the methods to decrease the vax side affects are the same used for COVID itself.

The Famotidine, which I had and is OTC, helped somewhat in about 12 hrs, The flush hot/cold feel diminished greatly, and I continue to take two of them a day. Also vit C, and D.

I ramped down my thyroid med a little on my own, which is immediately felt if you take T3. My tabs are "splitable". I read this can affect the thyroid and in some people trigger hyper thyroid. The time length differs among the few studied. Some are long term hyper (: ( }

In a nut shell, since Im hypo thyroid already, it made me less hypo.

Iam gluten free and eat a low cytokine diet tested (per my blood) already so thats good.


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Morning 14:

The peripheral neuropathy has mostly went away, not all though.

I slept a straight 6 hrs last night finally, no sweats , but a little warm before awaking (and my room was only 62F).

Exercising was brutal with this afterward, even just a little. Interesting ATP connection here as Hunter noted.

Still sore from basic everyday movement but improving. I rode a bike very gently for only 1/2 mile last night and was a little sore this morning LOL. This vax reaction (still improving) was somewhat like my past lyme days again.