Sida substitute for bart?

Lots of buhners herbs act as stimulants smh. Sida acuta being 1 of them. My llmd Saya I can use Japanese knotweed instead of sida to get rid of bart? What do ya'll think? Also I've heard jk can be used to treat bart alone without the sida. After my experience with it I never want to touch it again because it raised my heart rate to like 180 and I felt myself going in and out of consciousness. Sida also has the effects that opioids have so it's somewhat similar to drugs and I don't like this at all.Made me have sweats and chills/shivers cold at the same time so I knew it was a herx and kicking my butt. I just feel like they don't talk enough about the dangers of some herbs that act like stimulants and the side effects especially if someone has heard problems.

wladek83 said...

MedicalNerd said...
Also I've heard jk can be used to treat bart alone without the sida.

I've used 20+ herbs with Methylene Blue, tetracyclines, macrolides and essential oils all together and that wasn't enough to eradicate Bartonella. Using just japanese knotweed to deal with Bart sounds unreal.

That's a lot of herbs, and yes sounds unreal lol bt everyone is different I guess depending on how long someone has had the bart and also what symptoms. Some ppl get very sick bed bound while some of us are functional with only migraines as a predominant symptom. Tbh the only thing that took my migraines away instant was sida acuta so it's a real bummer I can't use that herb anymore. I was on and off doxy for years and it didn't do anything apparently. Diet helped the most plus detox.

I had a similar reaction to Sida Acuta. I agree with Garzie that the ephedrine is miniscule.

I do think it's a stimulant reaction though, but it might be the combination of PEA + ephedrine + pseudophedrine + (all 3 are in sida acuta).

Here a study on the isolation of alkaloids from the roots and aerial parts, respectively ( per 5 kg = 11.02 lbs ) :

Isolation of Alkaloids from S. acuta roots
The extracts of roots (5 kg) afforded 1-phenethylamine (35 mg), ephedrine (10 mg), w-ephedrine
(10 mg), vasicinol (20 mg), vasicinone (56 mg), vasicine (53 mg), choline (73 mg), hypaphorine (18
mg), and betaine (24 mg) when treated as before.

Isolation of Alkaloids from S. acuta aerial portion
Stem and leaves portions of this species (5 kg)
afforded 13-phenethylamine (170 mg), ephedrine
(76 mg), p-ephedrine (52mg), vasicinol (4 mg), Vasicinone (18 mg), vasicine (22 mg), choline (62 mg),
hypaphorine (42 mg), and betaine (44 mg), and a
carboxylated tryptamine base, viz., Nb,Nb-dimethyltryptophan methyl ester.

Sorry it's too early for math, but what Garzie said is correct.

It might be the combination of compounds though... The choline and tryptophan might play a role too actually. Synergistically.

Will upload the study in a bit.

Garzie said...
Buhner suggests either Alchornea or Cryptolepis as alternates for Sida for bart

i take all 3 but have to say even after 1 year of that - along with Knotweed and all the other Buhner herbs - and methylene blue - and i still found bartonella clearly present in my blood.

it is very tenacious

i suspect your reaction was likely a super sensitive herx like reaction - rather than a direct stimulant effect - the amount of ephedrine in sida is truly miniscule

im scared about using anything even though it's a miniscule amount of stimulant because even when I go to the dentist , the regular novacain raises my.heart rate through the rood. I'm sensitive to everything it seems .