Chiropractor/physical therapy

I got a herniated Disc, not sure how.

I have been doing physical therapy and it’s getting better but still pain and other symptoms radiating to the arm.

Therapy consists of neck traction (I think most important piece), electrical pads stimulation on neck/black, pulling neck manually, spine adjustments (definitely don’t need this) and this uber class IV laser to the neck. According to him this laser is a very important component but it also stimulates immune function.

I have been doing 10% - 20% better Lyme-wise. I haven’t changed anything in treatment but have been crashing real badly last few weeks just about after I started this therapy. Sometimes I feel like someone beat me up after these sessions. This could all be coincidental as I am in active treatment. I have also been doing weekly glutathione IV 500mg - 1,000mg so that could be a factor too.

It’s really crushing to setback like this. I have read evidence of therapy like that causing increased symptoms but if you read forums closely almost everything does.

Is there truth to what I have been experiencing? I think that laser could be a problem. How long would it take to recover?
I would like to continue therapy but i can’t just tell him not to do half the things as why am I going there then.

Any input is appreciated.

My spine was a mess. Its a very long story as to how I corrected most of it, and it took time.

Ive used every pain reliever there was. pain was my life. I wish I had known about somolmans seal tincture. Its by far the best and ive used every thing else. about 12-15 for a small bottle online. look it up. I make my own now. very few people know about this stuff.

Many people who fully function pain free have disc issues, odd but true.....

The tincure I mentioned, when used topically relaxes muscles and nerve tension by means of instant circulation improvement in the area it was applied - better than electrical stimulation pads.

I would not be telling you this if it were not true. It helps heal tissues too, anti-inflammatory, not just a pain cover up.

One problem that PT or regular chiro does not address is making sure the Atlas bone (top) is aligned correctly. I went to a NUCCA practitioner after the other mainstream places could only do so much. After mainstream back treatment I still had 17 more lbs on one foot vs the other. I weigh 175 lbs, so this was a big deal and caused an "S" curve and a shorther leg due to my hips trying to correct what it could not do (Atlas bone under my skull was the issue). Now each foot is with in 2 lbs of each other.

Mainstream spine treatment has limitations.

"I guess my follow up question is. How long to ramifications last if they are indeed caused by the physical therapy. 1 week? 2 weeks? "

As a past regional upper level endurance athlete, I have a lot of experience with recovery times. It is obviously different person to person, but in my experience anything physical with lyme takes 3X the time to recovery vs with no lyme. So using PT fitness /gym machines did require longer recovery time. Standard chiros had a hard time adjusting me since I was so stiff.

And if I didnt allow recover in between- then it added up and become a very big deal (much worse).

Laser treatment (it didnt do anything good or bad) and the stim unit treatments (helped a little), did not give me any weird symptoms though.

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Although your primary question was about the neck Laser sessions possibly causing reactivated lyme symptoms; I was more or less addressing your neck PT / chiro treatments in the first place.

Lyme does cause a lot of muscle and tendon tension in some people. Many here in the past have complained about all-over body tension too- like "straight jacket" on you- similar to MS. There is minimal research in this phenomenon, but what there is points to a sudden change in tissue circulation, as in lack of circulation. So increasing circulation corrects this.

Massage does this, but minimally. Chiros and some PT's have new combined muscle stretching and fascia release techniques that work but cost a lot in terms of sessions/time. Solomon's seal really helps instant circulation getting nutrients into the tissues, fast.

You neck is part of your spine and is influenced by the Atlas sitting on top the spine just below the skull. Necks are hard to do chiro and PT on, plus there are big viens there, so deep massage is tricky.

NUCCA atlas adjustment is slow and "non-cracking", something regular chiro cannot duplicate. SS tincture can be applied topically with ease from neck to shoulders. Can be administered internally too. These two together can do a lot for neck issues. A happy neck has a happy body underneath it - or at least it provides the foundation to do so.

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After 25 years of neck to tailbone spine issues, I have improved a lot. Eradicating the infections stopped the body tension from getting worse, but my crooked body did NOT magically correct itself as some assume might happen.

A flat tire does not re-inflate itself after the nail is removed either lol!!! i (lyme damage). You need a tire or patch/plug.

But if you stop driving thru the new neighborhood with nails across the road (the damage source/lyme)- you wont get those new flats anymore.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/24/2022 2:24:18 PM (GMT-7)

Exercise moves oxygen around your body. And oxygen kills lyme bacteria.

Even Rolling around on a fitness roller technically detoxifies your muscles.

We all have or had different limitations of what we can take. I kept on stretching my limitations till It felt better. Feel terrible now to feel better later, sometimes that’s the name of the game. Within certain measures of course.

The only herbal detoxing agent that ever did anything for me that I could tell was d-Limonine and that’s also probably because I have a liver gene issue which made herxing longer than average.

I’d say there’s about 6 to 10 common herbal detoxers, Maybe experiment with some of those. Good old water never hurts either.

Post Edited (astroman) : 8/31/2022 1:46:41 AM (GMT-7)

My case, elevated C4 it did not seem to correlate with fatigue or muscle soreness.

C reactive protein is the one that is supposed to correlate with acute injury.

about 6 years ago there was a spiel about certain labs not testing C4a correctly and some of them not even handling the blood properly for it.

National Jewish laboratory in Colorado was deemed the proper place to send it to. I’ve had some pretty high measurements from that lab , at one time my test actually came back as 55,000. So I’m guessing that’s not the lab your blood was sent to if the lab test itself maxed out at 13,000. A couple of repeated tests later and I watched it go down to 1400., Which is normal range.

Anyway my elevated results correlated with candida. I also had higher candida antibodies in my blood at the same time, the two seem to go together with me anyway.

People with mold issues also have high C4a.

It’s been said active Lyme infection will increase both C4a and C3a. By the time I started doing these, I never had elevated c3a.

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Interesting thing about muscle pain it’s not always something you can measure with an inflammation test. Acute injury yes, chronic injury, most likely not.

And lack of circulation can result in muscle and tendon pain but it’s technically not inflammation. Proof of this how trigger point release works. You can instantly reduce pain in an area that was experiencing very little circulation and tissue tightness. You cannot heal something in 30 seconds, but you can increase circulation in 30 seconds and with that - diminish pain. That is pain you feel it but with absolutely no blood test that can measure it. None.

Inflammation in muscle tissue is generally a response to an acute injury and is also an immune response of certain blood cells , so it will not be the same for everyone.

You can have injuries from a long time ago that still hurt but will no longer have an Inflammatory immune response.

When my C4a normalized I no longer had elevated levels of candida so my digestion felt better, but I still had all kinds of muscle tension throughout my body.

Post Edited (astroman) : 9/4/2022 11:15:46 PM (GMT-7)

Astroman, i will email you if ifs ok. Seems like we are only 2 people in discussion too much to write here anyway.

My c4a has been checked somewhat regularly. It was about 750 (normal is 650) last time and then suddenly shot up like that. I doubt that I inhaled a bunch of mold.

Symptoms radiating to my arm is what’s bothering me. Neck itself is mostly ok now. Can rotate head without issues.

I highly recommend a NUCCA chiropractor.

They aren’t the typical chiros who twist and ‘crack’ your neck.
They correct your spine with a gentle pressure on the atlas.

Solomons seal tincture applied topically and rubbed in will soak in and dry in about 30 seconds.

It’s about $12-$15 for an ounce Tincture dropper bottle. I highly suggest it. Your chiropractor will not have a clue about this.

This actually works better than any other topical out there for not just relieving pain but also healing the tissue. I did not believe it myself so I bought some and used it after using everything else , now I grow it.

(I don’t check that email much , it’s not on my phone.)

Post Edited (astroman) : 9/6/2022 9:33:09 AM (GMT-7)

"Standard chiro" and "standard PT" can both be a joke if they limit themselves to what was only done in the past - or only what was taught in their standard education.

There are "non-standard" techniques that both can use if they actually bother to learn how.

And...they can both injure you further to if they dont understand your specific tissue and joint "needs".

PT does not usually understand fascia or tendon treatment,....but some are learning at a snails pace. . Some modern chiros do, and they don't use "cracking" to treat it. Tight fascia can pull on joints and even cause disc herniation.

PT and exercising in generally does not help the end of muscle because that turns into tendon tissue. Exercise helps the "belly" of muscle, and thats not always where the problem is.

A combination of both PT and chiro works, its trial and error. Both have different tools that when used together can achieve positive results.

Been there, tried all of it. Figured out what my body needed, and it was a lot of variety which I learned to do a lot of myself.

Thanks all for responding. I will open another thread as it has been 2 weeks without PT so that might not have been the issue.

Girly,

I don’t think I have back problems, per say. I don’t need chiropractic adjustments and go for physical therapy to treat the disc situation.
I think maybe people go to chiropractor for help with spine problems to which lyme contributed. I think my situation is not that.

It sure to ask here or start a new but atlas,

I follow along but don’t do the work. I put my body last. Trying to change.

My body neck hip spine( muscle tendon joint bone all out of wack. Deep work needs done. I’m active but pinched and one more wrong move will give me vertigo or extreme pain. Couldn’t move leg other day. Too little time. May go into later.

Astro and girlie thanks for all you do.

As far as Nucca. There is none remotely close to me. How far drive to go on an already taxed spine and person.

Waiting to see chiro for temporary relief. Sometimes I hurt for days after. Or normal.

Astro ever try Solomon’s seal as oil? I’m about to order some … who’s the dr in vt? The deep hip muscles. My hip has hurt and been immobile for almost two years now. Si but not si. Physical therapy maybe helped a bit. One of the two chirps may have helped a tiny bit. Now my one leg opens more but with that change I now have all the neck problems again.

I know I’m confusing and need to make a more clear post. I need more time.

Thankyou. And sorry to interrupt.