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Posted 10/29/2012 11:40 PM (GMT 0)
I have noticed a few of these on my arms and upper chest. Yesterday after I took a detox bath, I noticed more of them popping out on my stomach and chest. They are bright red spots, dots about

the size of this .  They appear randomly, I talked to my Dr today and he said it could be a release of toxins coming out.

I am not on any treatment yet, still awaiting my LLMD appt. I was googling searching and

found it could be Bart or Babs. Couldn't find a clear answer.

Has anyone else experienced these?  Do they clear up?

 

Posted 10/29/2012 11:52 PM (GMT 0)
I too have had these popping out and are more prevalent after baths. I get them on my upper breast tissue and on my stomach. Last year my NP (not Lyme literate), thought I might have celiacs and had me get tested. The test came back negative and to be honest I don't think it's my issue. Mine aren't only there just after a bath. They come back at times. I am not sure what they are but my LLMD said I def have Bart and he suspects Babs. I haven't bought into the Babs part yet bu a BIG yes to the Bart. I think if you go to Dr. Jone's site there are lots of pictures about all of these different things. Maybe you can find what you are looking for there.

Hope others can give you more insight. I'm curious too!
Posted 10/29/2012 11:54 PM (GMT 0)
Babesia is known for a petechiae rash that looks like a pin point red spot, sometimes it's raised a little. I get these - thanks to my Babesia infection. Do yours look like this:
/picasaweb.google.com/AfterTheBite/LymeTBDRashes#5689202167329027026

Mine move around. They stay in one place or another for a bit then leave just as suddenly as they came on.

BTW - good for you for doing the detoxing already!!! You're body will be in a much better place to start the healing when you do start your treatment!
Posted 10/30/2012 12:17 AM (GMT 0)
Mine look exactly like the ones that Traveler posted and I have a few that seem permanent on my chest. I have always attributed mine to babesia.
Posted 10/30/2012 9:23 AM (GMT 0)
I have these too and have recently worked out its babesia thanks to photos on Dr Jones' site along with the help of a BW challenge protocol (despite negative serology). Given I haven't been treated for it yet it gives me a little bit of hope although id rather not have it! Some say treatment needs to be in the order of biggest to smallest and treating the Protozoa (be it Babesia or PR) will help resolve the Bartonella....... I hope so cos I'm struggling with the Bart

Thanks for a tony the tiger thread

Hugh
Posted 10/30/2012 1:58 PM (GMT 0)
Let's remember that the tests even for Babesia leave a lot to be desired - there are over 20 different strains of this protozoa out there and only 3 or 4 (I believe) are being tested for - so once again, a negative test result actually means very little.
Posted 10/30/2012 3:19 PM (GMT 0)
Since this is all new to me (and I too seem to have these little dots), can someone tell me (or point me) how protozoa are treated compared to Bart. I am having a terrible time with Bart and if I need to go back to my doc and push on the Babs side of things to help with Bart, I'd like to be armed with some knowledge. Thanks in advance for the extra help here. I just want to find some great info so that I can see if it makes sense. My doc made me take a massive survey months ago and based on the results suspected Babs but we haven't spoken of it much since then. Just Bart and Lyme. I just need to find something to turn the corner with because I am still struggling a year out from original treatment and hoping to turn a corner soon.
Posted 10/30/2012 3:39 PM (GMT 0)
justascarf,

There are a few ways. Usually you have to use meds or herbs that have antimalarial properties. The most common combo is Mepron/zithromax but Mepron is VERY expensive and not always covered.

Malarone, bactrim, Plaquenil, clindamycin, artemisinan, cryptolepis, coartem, quinine and alinia have also been used in various combos.

Some doctors think you should get rid of babesia first. I was not able to tolerate more than 6 weeks of Mepron due to liver issues. If you take Mepron, your doctor should be monitoring liver enzymes FREQUENTLY. I had no risk factors or expectations of a liver problem so I waited a long time to have the first test and my enzymes were unexpectedly very high. I had to go off everything for a long time.

Liver support is very important with all meds, but especially with Mepron, rifampin and diflucan as those are known to be tough on the liver.
Posted 10/30/2012 3:53 PM (GMT 0)
I would suggest that you go through Dr. James Schaller's site for supporting articles that you may need. He's done a whole lot of research on both Babs and Bart, not to mention Lyme and other diseases! Here is a link to his site:
www.personalconsult.com/
Posted 10/30/2012 4:00 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks all for the info. I am on Rifampin and Diflucan right now and get my liver checked (as well as CBC) every 3.5 weeks. Thanks for the heads up on that. Hopefully I'm getting things checked as often as I should. So far so good. Thanks again for all of the info. I will start my reading!
Posted 10/30/2012 8:16 PM (GMT 0)
Be sure to let us know how things go!!
Posted 11/1/2012 1:01 AM (GMT 0)
I had a similar rash and my LLMD suggested I go to a dermatologist. After a punch biopsy he determined it was a Staph infection caused from having low antibodies (IgG).
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