Sauna vs. Infrared Sauna

LOL goodness. Oh silver spring. I don't miss those prices Wryter! That sounds like a lot to me! I'm looking into buying a sauna right now but the one I want is too pricey so I've started looking at salon packages. I found a gym at a hotel that is offering corporate memberships to us (corporate) for $50/month and they have a sauna and free water, juice and fruit so I'm thinking of joining just for taht but it is close to my work and far from home.... so I can't decide.

Wryer,

I encourage you to try to find a much more cost-effective deal for the FIR saunas like Opugirl. When Heather was sick, we found a deal for $60/month that included more than the use of the FIR sauna. Of course you won't be able to find a better deal than what you have for the regular sauna!

Korissa,

FIF sauna is not the only way to go, but it may be the best way to go, as a lot of its benefit comes from the penetrating Infrared wavelengths which are reported to enhance detoxification. Rather than not do any kind of sauna, I would definitely do the strictly thermal version of sauna than do nothing. Some people find it difficult to tolerate the high temperatures that conventional saunas rely on for detoxification. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

Don

I will keep trying Don! There are places out the way but they may offer a good deal!

I'm thinking of buying one....

I bought a Solo portable sauna for detox and it is the best investment I've made. I bought it for just under $2k but the company offered financing which is the only way I could afford to purchase. http://www.sunlighten.com/solo-system.html

I also found this same sauna used on ebay when I was looking but we opted for a new unit.

My husband and daughter use it as well and we have all experienced benefits.

whose "in our opinion" almost heaven?

Almost Heaven,

I first want to welcome you to the forum. We have many friendly and informed people here that have a wealth of experience with this illness. They are willing and able to help you. I would urge you to read the thread entitled "New to Lyme....Start Here" at the top of the thread column. It has a lot of good information that is useful to know for anybody that has this illness. "Detoxification" is one of the things that is covered. I am sorry that you are ill, but am glad that you have found us.

I have to confess that I chuckled out loud when I read your post. I have heard this type of thing many times before.

I don't want you to feel that I am making fun of you or mocking you, because I'm not. Its just that I have a relatively unique perspective compared to some of the people on this forum. We took our daughter to the Hansa Center, and she was healed there. I found that some people on this forum and others, didn't like the concept, and said the patients there received nothing more than "glorified detoxification." OK. Then others have said that the Ionic Foot Detox is nothing but a farce. Now you come on here and claim that the FIR sauna has no proven detox value. So if I add all of these vacuous statements together, my daughter received nothing of value while she was at that clinic. She just spontaneously became well on her own?

I don't know about the "science" part of this issue. Over the years I have read several patient testimonies that stated that they wiped down with a towel after their sauna, and a layer of colored slime appeared on the towel.

Has science proven that no type of sauna ever detoxes? If something is effective for a stated claim, then I do not worry about the science. Science exists independently of any claims, and it corresponds to reality, whether or not that reality is publicly recognized. A lot of what the patients do to become well may not fit the parameters of a rigorously applied science.

A lot of naturepathic doctors believe in the efficacy of the FIR sauna and other saunas for detox. I wonder why LLMD's are increasingly recommending the FIR sauna for detox? Maybe you are smarter than they are? My own MD is not an LLMD, but he has an FIR sauna at his office for his geriatric patients to detoxify. Maybe the science needs to catch up?

I am sure that you are well intentioned, but I believe that you are misguided in your statements. Many of the patients here have discovered that they are forced to go outside of the science if they are to become well. If they stay strictly within the "science" they will stay sick. Detoxification may be an "off label" use of the FIR sauna in your opinion, then so be it!

We are all entitled to our opinion, and I would be the first to insist that you have the right to express yours. I am stating my opinion so that innocent onlookers have something to evaluate your statements by. Then they can decide for themselves. I personally cannot just stand by while they suffer due to lack of knowledge. Many of us have found that patient testimonies are 100 times more valuable than "scientific claims" when it comes to becoming well from this disease.

Don

Hi there, I just wanted to say , I brought one of those portables infer sauna's , and I have had nothing but a great experience with it. I have chronic pain from the Lyme, and if I sit in it for 30 minus not only do I sweat my butt off, but the pain seems to ease.

For me heat has been the only thing that helps me, and for something that cost me under 200 I find it well worth the money. I have spent lots of money on this and that kind of pill that did not help me, not to mention a new detox protocol that cost me 240.00 that did not help me at all.

Most of the sauna's have a 30 day money back guarantee, so If I was going to buy another one I would make sure I made sure it had some type of guarantee.

Also with Lyme, I have found we can't just use traditional thinking, in order for us to get better we have to think outside of the box. I hope you find something that helps you as well.

justme

Almost Heaven,

Please don't take this wrong from what I am about to say. It seems that you have already made up your mind, regardless of what "proof" I may give. From my perspective, it seems that you are perfectly willing to explain away the obvious implications of what I am presenting to you with a rather far fetched alternative explanation of your own.

The situation of the man that was a former smoker is a prime example. He told me that he had already had several sessions with the ionic foot detox, and that he had excreted a lot of dark oily and smelly substance each time that he did it. Forgive me, but it is an insult to the intelligence to be asked to believe your suggestion that the pores of his feet harbored an endless supply of tar and nicotine in them. Come on man! I am going to become more specific in my refutation of your point of view here.

The real issue is- Is the skin capable of excreting significant quantities of toxins from the body when it is stimulated to do so? The answer is yes! This can be accomplished through the proper kinetic, osmotic, thermal, or bioenergetic stimulation. Many physicians use these methods of detoxification as a central core of what they do for their patients.

I will use the doctors at the Hansa Center as an example. Their 2 main detox treatments are the FIR sauna, and the Ionic Foot Detox. The FIR sauna employs thermal and infrared spectrums of energy to coax detoxification of the body from the skin covering the entire body. The Ionic Foot Detox uses negatively charged electrons to produce ions in the water that penetrate the body to generate a detoxification of the body through the skin on the soles of the feet.

I will give yet another example of another case involving FIR detoxification through the skin that cannot easily be explained away. I met a man at the Hansa Center that had a long term diagnosis of Parkinson's Disease for 13 years by conventional physicians. Two years before he went to the Hansa Center he was finally diagnosed by an LLMD with Lyme Disease and coinfections. He said that he became even more debilitated after his treatment started. He said that he almost died 3 times and had "white light experiences." After the last episode he made arrangements to go to the Hansa Center as a last resort because he didn't want to die. He is only 33 years old. We became friends while he and I were there.

When I met him on his first day I could tell that there was a lot that was seriously wrong with him, just by looking at him and conversing with him. He had a catatonic stare,, moved robotically, and trembled. He was diagnosed with Lyme disease, coinfections, and carried a very high level of ammonia in his brain and globally as well. Dr. J. explained to him that a lot of his symptoms and debilitation was caused by the ammonia.

This young man had FIR sauna and Ionic Foot Detox treatments every day. On the very first day he was sitting in the waiting room talking to me in between treatments. Then he left to do a 30 minute FIR sauna treatment. When he came out of the sauna to the waiting room he absolutely reeked of ammonia, whereas I had not even noticed that odor previously. He had toweled down after he finished the treatment, but he obviously was still excreting ammonia in the waiting room.

On another day he was in the same room as my brother-in-law having an Ionic Foot Detox treatment. I was sitting in the room and talking to them while they were being treated. When the "Parkinsons Man" was finished with his detox treatment, I picked up his tray and emptied it in the sink for him. I bent over and took a big sniff. It strongly smelled of ammonia. I was utterly repulsed by the disgusting contents of his detoxification tray.

Since he had just had the ionic foot detox, am I really to believe that he somehow had an endless supply of ammonia that was only locked up in the pores of his feet, but did not actually come from the interior of his body, and was excreted through the skin of his feet? I am challenging you to think outside of your narrow paradigm. I am simply reporting my observations here.

This young man was astounded by his day to day progress at the clinic. He came to me every day and reported his astonishment at his daily improvements. He would stand there and move various parts of his body in ways that he was not able to do on the previous day. Am I really to believe that his liver and kidneys somehow immediately and spontaneously revived, and are to account for the elimination of the ammonia? I confess to you that I had to turn away because tears welled up in my eyes when i beheld his joy. Are you willing to claim that there must be some mistake, and that his skin didn't really experience an enhanced amount of excretion of toxins, and that it was only my imagination?

I have a condition in my hands called Dupuytren's Contracture. This condition causes a spontaneous abnormal scarring of the fascia layer under the skin of the palms and fingers. It causes nodules and cords to form, which will permanently contract the fingers into a clenched position into the palms. If it is not corrected, and left untreated until it is completely clenched into the palm, the only solution is amputation. I have a very bad case of it, and have had 3 extensive surgeries on my left hand and 1 surgery on my right hand so far.

I had the last surgery last August. There was a long zig-zag incision starting low in the palm of my hand and extending to the tip of my little finger. The surgeon basically filleted the skin of my finger to get to the extensively scarred fascia tissue, which he excised. He closed it up with about 45 sutures.

The website of the company that made my Ionic Foot Detox showed before and after photos of an individual that had a withered hand, and had used his Ionic Foot Detox equipment to help to correct the condition. Instead of placing his feet into the tray of water, he set the tray on a table and placed both forearms into the tray. I have seen some of the patients at the Hansa Center do the same thing.

I theorized that there would be some benefit in doing that same treatment to my hand. I know that the surgeon injected several medications into my hand during and after the surgery. I also know that surgery causes the production of metabolic toxins in the body. I felt that it would be beneficial to remove them. I also was aware that the negatively charged ions would be beneficial to my healing, but I did not want to do it while the incision was still raw. I waited 7 weeks before I did my first treatment on my hand. The incision was completely healed and scar tissue was forming. There was no seepage of fluids/blood and all of the scabs had fallen off about 2-3 weeks previously.

When I did my first treatment there was a lot of dark reddish brown "old blood" particles that floated on the top of the water. This substance looked a lot different than any other colors that I had seen from the trays of myself or anyone else when we did the treatment. I did a treatment every other day for about 10 treatments. I noticed that every successive treatment brought out less of the "old blood". There was no longer any of that substance showing up by the 5th treatment.

If I have not yet perked up your ears, and having you realize that I just may be onto something, then I may as well stop here. Then we are not only polar opposites, we are in different universes.

I am going to leave you with a few interesting articles that may flesh out a little of what I am saying from a physicians point of view. The Mercola interview is a long one, and the part about the FIR sauna is near the middle of the interview. The Jernigan audio is interesting, as he claims that the lymphatic system excretes an appreciable amount of its toxins from the glands in the armpits. I have read articles stating the the skin is the largest detoxification organ in the body. I will include those types of articles in future installments. Much of this is mainstream medical knowledge. Here is an interview by an an MD that uses the FIR sauna.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/21/dr-clement-on-detoxification.aspx


Here is an article by a knowledgeable MD that states that "negative electromagnetic polarity is the bodies central metabolic detoxifier". This of course is the principle that the Ionic Foot Detox works on:

.arthritistrust.org/research/WilliamHPhilpott/SignificanceOfPolarity.pdf


Here is a 2 part article on lymphatic drainage by Dr. Jernigan. Guess what? It involves the skin!


http://www.icontact-archive.com/LiDWoAB0DEPx1Nu2tKRNRkEAqFwdv60H?w=3

Unfortunately I am still looking for part 2. I will post it when I find it.


Here is yet another articles. I don't think that FIR should be confused with regular thermal saunas according to the findings of these studies.

http://www.chimachine4u.com/fir2.html
http://thebiomatstore.com/information.php#science


Almost Heaven- I look forward to your interaction.

Don

Meh, I work in R&D and science also says a lot of things....like it is scientifically proven that a bee cannot fly. :)

Here's what the real question is - Almost Heaven, have you contacted Admin on here to get permission to post here?

If you are only on this forum as a representative of a business, youmust as permission from Admin.

If you are here because you or your loved one has Lyme or one of the other tick-borne infections, then that's a different story.

Almost Heaven,

Hearing all sides of an issue is always beneficial, but the forum rules still stand. Traveler has not said that you cannot be on this forum. She has simply asked you to contact Admin first. Corporate interests are required to seek permission to post on this forum. There are several indications that you have violated the forum rule: 1) You have stated that your screen name is the name of your company that sells saunas. 2) The main part of your discussion centers on what saunas can and can't do. If you are not here on behalf of yourself or another person with Lyme disease, then it appears that you may solely have a commercial interest in mind. Admin will be the judge of that.

If your information is correct, then, it may be a valuable resource for our members. The Moderators are not here to be the judge of that, but we are here to enforce the rules. We are giving you the benefit of the doubt by requesting that you first contact Admin to post as a corporate representative.

Don