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Posted 10/3/2013 10:04 PM (GMT 0)
Hey everyone,

I'm new here, but unfortunately not new to Lyme. Below is some background about me, if you don't care about that then skip to the last three paragraphs. I just wanted to provide as much info as I could :)

I suspect that I've had Lyme for at least ten years, if not my whole life (I'm 28 years old), and was diagnosed last July (2012). I was fortunate to find a great LLMD right off the bat and was under his care for about a year, during which time I was on and off of low doses of abx to treat Bart and Lyme. I had a hard time with even low oral doses of rifampin and zithro and was never able to stay on them for longer than 6 wks at a time. Also had a terrible reaction to levaquin but that's a whole other story!

After a disappointing trial with conventional antibiotics, I've decided to try out the natural route for a while. I've started to work with a ND who is well versed in Lyme and he is treating me for viruses (cocksackie, HH6, etc) as well as H.Puylori (nasty stomach bacteria). He believes that these other infections are preventing my lyme treatment from doing its job, so that's what we are starting with.

I'm currently taking a bunch of supplements, antivirals, antibacterials, and a large dose of colloidal silver ( I can post the full list if anyone is interested). I'm supposed to be adding some buhner herbs to the mix in a week or so, but my pain has increased tremendously in the past week. I have no idea if I am herxing on some of the new stuff I've added or if I am just getting worse. My "baseline" is very low to start with- I can't work, had to move in with my parents, and am pretty much on the couch all of the time with the exception of doctors appts. I'm not complaining, I have a good attitude, just telling it like it is!

So, I posted all of this background bc I have a few questions-

What do you guys do for severe nerve and muscle pain? I am currently on gabapentin and take tons of magnesium as well as ultra inflammX 360. It just seems to me, from all of my internet scouring, that most people aren't in as much pain as I have been in on a daily basis. Even before treatment, I was so sick that I required a wheelchair when leaving the house and would have to space out my bathroom visits so as not to get up too much. It's insane. I played competitive soccer for 12 years and have always been super active, so this has been really out of the norm for me.

I also feel that treatment seems to inflame me further and produces more pain. Problem is, once the pain gets to a certain point, I just think it does more harm than good and it gets out of control, slippery slope situation. I do a few things to help detox- Epsom salt baths daily, green tea, burbur, pinella, spirulina. Should I be doing more?

I am sorry that this post got so incredibly long, but I am just grasping at straws here, trying to find something that will reduce pain, but more so looking for a root cause as to what is causing so much inflammation. I know that obviously Lyme does this, but what I am experiencing seems disproportionate, maybe I'm wrong though, maybe this is totally "normal" for Lyme. I don't think I have any other diseases like MS or anything like that, just wondering if I am missing a piece of the puzzle somewhere, or if this is just all part of the Lyme experience.

Thanks for reading all of this! Let me know what y'all think!
Sugar pie :) skull
Posted 10/3/2013 10:12 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Sugar pie!
First of all, welcome to our little community!
I know that you aren't exactly "new" to Lyme, but if you haven't yet, it would be great if you would read through our "New to Lyme? Start here!" thread, as it's full of really good information!

Well, I can tell you that you are describing part of what I experienced with Lyme, and I've seen many, many others that have come through this forum with severe pain as well.

Have you tried Turmeric, Boswellin and ginger? The combination of the three are supposed to be better than any one or two. What about acupuncture? It was the only thing that brought my pain levels down to where I could stand to be in my own skin.

I'm sure others will be along to share what they do for pain as well! :-)
Posted 10/4/2013 2:12 AM (GMT 0)
Sugar Pie, you are doing the right thing by taking magnesium. However, things like Crohn's disease, drinking alcohol, and high pottasium/calcium can affect how your body absorbs and uses magnesium. You mention bathroom visits; diarrhea can certainly deplete your magnesium.

The treatment for H.Pylori usually involves Amoxicillin, Clarithromycin and PPIs. Is this what the doctor has prescribed for you? If so, these antibacterials are also very effective in treating Lyme.

Are you on a gluten-free diet? Gluten and sugar give me muscle, nerve, and stomach pains. So does chocolate.

You also mention that you may have had Lyme since childhood. If so, it is going to take much longer for your body to heal than someone who was recently infected. Are you keeping a log of your symptoms? If so, have you seen any improvement when you have gotten on any of the herbals or antibiotics? Keeping a log will tell you what works and what doesn't. No sense in spending money on stuff that is not helping you.

Have you had blood work done recently? if yes, how is your B12, calcium, Free T3, free t4, anti TPO?

Are you taking your magnesium naturally (beans, bananas, etc) or via supplements?

Can you be specific on where the pain is, on a scale of 1 to 10, how severe it is, if detoxing helps, and if it gets worse during a certain time of the day or after eating, while sleeping, etc.

It would also help if you can post your most recent Lyme tests so we can see the bands, etc.
Posted 10/4/2013 5:53 AM (GMT 0)
Hello Sugar pie,

 I am very sensitive to all of my txs as well. Do you go off your antibiotics or natural remedies when you begin to herx? My doctor has often told me that the motto "no pain, no gain" does not apply to all of us. It sounds like your in great pain all of the time so it may not apply. At one time I was on alot of supplements and antibiotics at the same time and I felt horrible!! My doc said to go off them for a couple of days and then try going one 1 thing at a time to see what was bothering me. It worked! It was the flagyl I was taking! Don't know if your doc might suggest the same? With any antibiotic Ive ever tried, I have not been able to take full dose of anything so I have invested in a good pill cutter!! Hope this helps some, take care :-)

Posted 10/5/2013 12:59 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you all for these suggestions!

Traveler- I hae been wanting to try accupuncture for quite sometime, so I will definitely follow through with your suggestion. I haven't responded well to body work, even very short and light massages, and so I've been a little nervous about accupuncture, but at this point I think it's worth a try. I'll also get some boswellin to add to the turmeric and ginger that I take, I hadn't heard of that before so thank you.

Healing - I'll try to answer as many of your questions as I can ;).

- I have been very strict with my diet for the past year- no gluten, refined sugar, dairy, alcohol- and have also eliminated some other foods that I am sensitive to.

- I do keep a sort of sloppy log of my symptoms and did see some improvement in my pain level last fall after starting rifampin. The improvement held until I started levaquin at which time I had a terrible reaction and was in more pain than ever. After a few months I recovered and felt decent in regards to pain until a few months ago when the pain returned with avengeance. In summary, I've had lots of ups and downs in the past year, and no conclusive idea of what exactly caused them, I'm sure you can all relate to the roller coaster!

- I would love to get on some b12 shots but last time I tried them I had what I thought was an allergic reaction (weird I know!), but I may try again at a lower dose since I'm positive that it would help. I do supplement with b12 but I know that pill forms of b12 are poorly absorbed and converted in the body. I alm also hypothyroid but cannot remember if my T3 and T4 were normal, My hunch is that I was low in free T4 but I could be wrong, thyroid stuff always confuses me with all of those T's!

- My pain is body wide and is agitated by movement (not too specific, haha!). On average I am able to walk a total of about 100 feet per day right now, and not all at once. Everything hurts- muscles, joints, nerves, bones- usually not all at once though! My calf muscles have atrophied pretty badly in the past year with my decrease in activity, I've probably lost 2/3 of my muscle, it's not good. I do try to do small exercises and reps with a resistance bad as much as I can to help build things up as much as I can tolerate. Usually my symptoms will flare for 2-3 hours a day and the pain gets up to about an 8.5, then it will return to about a 7 or 7.5, so it's tolerable as long as I don't do very much.

- These are the herbs I'm taking for H.Pylori, along with colloidal silver- Coptis, Bladderwrack, Broccolive, Manuka Honey, Morinda, Melia (Neem Leaf).

Lymerunner- I do take a day off of taking everything about once or sometimes even twice a month just to give my body a break. I'm starting to think that pulsing may be a better option for me. Maybe I'll try what you suggested. How long did you go off of your supplements before reintroducing them one by one?

Thank you again everyone!
Posted 10/5/2013 2:35 AM (GMT 0)
I am not a medical professional so please consult with your doctor before implementing anything that we recommend.

I suspected hypothyroid. Are you on Armour or a synthetic equivalent? If not, you could really benefit from it. It is going to give you the strength to get up and move those muscles. It will also help your well-being.

As far as the muscle pain; muscles are made up of 79% water and need to be kept flexible so they do not atrophy. I have a hunch that your pain may be due in part from the muscles wasting away. I suggest that you begin taking creatine. Dr. Burrascano suggests that we need a 20 gram daily loading dose for the first five days, then 4 to 10 grams daily maintenance. What this does is that it helps the muscle absorb water for hydration and it replenishes the creatine phosphate that your muscles need for mobility. Because muscle feeds on it, you begin to build more muscle fiber and regain some of the lost muscle. Muscle fibers are like thousands of rubber bands and need water.

You also need to drink plenty of water to flush out all the toxins, the herbs, and the medicine that you are taking. I agree with Lymerunner that the body needs a break from all the stuff that we add in trying to kill the bacteria.

Have you had your glucose level checked? Lyme feeds on glucose and people with Lyme experience some of the symptoms that diabetics experience, which can include muscle and bone pain.

Vitamin B12; if you are low on it, it is very likely that you are also low on vitamin D. They both depend on each other. Have you had your vitamin D checked?

As for poor absorption of B12, this is often the case with people who suffer from Pernicious anemia, which is an autoimmune disorder. Since we know that you are hypothyroid, perhaps you suffer from this as well. B12 shots are better than oral vitamins. However, sub-lingual b12 vitamin works pretty good because the pill is dissolved under the tong for absorption and doesn’t rely on the stomach for absorption.

You may also want to try exercise rubber bands. I know that it is very difficult to exercise when infected with Lyme. I know because I can’t work out for more than a minute or two. But there are bands of different strengths that can slowly start to work out your muscles so you can begin to rebuild what you have lost. These are very helpful because you don’t have to be mobile to use them. You can use them while sitting down or even while laying down. Even if you only do one or two repetitions at a time, over time it will help the muscle flex and help rebuild it. Once you begin to gain mobility, you will be able to do more of them and your muscles will have the strength to hold your body while standing.
Posted 10/5/2013 5:14 AM (GMT 0)
Healing- Wow, thank you for all of the incredible information you've provided. It's such a blessing to have your insight and I appreciate it very much.

I was on Armour for two months and had terrible menstrual pain during that time. I already have painful periods, thanks to Lyme, but this was utterly intolerable- I thought I was going to have to go to the ER because the cramps were so bad. I am not one to take pain meds but I tried Tramadol, Tylenol w/ Codeine, and Naproxen and nothing even remotely touched the pain. My doctor had me scrap the Armour and we haven't revisited that issue yet. Do you have any other suggestions for dealing with hypothyroid? I guess I should also mention that I am estrogen dominant, my progesterone was so low that the test wasn't even able to record it. I am takin macafem and chaste berry to help with my sex hormones and will also be adding progesterone cream into the mix soon.

I do drink a TON of water, coconut water, and decaf organic green tea everyday to keep the toxins flushed out (and because I have excessive thirst); however, I haven't tried the creatine , so I will have to do that, your explanation makes complete sense to me.

I'll look through my blood work to see if my glucose has been checked recently. This could possibly explain why I'm so thirsty all of the time. I know that my ND said that my MSH is very low and that is probably why I am so thirsty all of the time too. I'm going to start a pharmaceutical (can't remember the name) to help fix the MSH.

As for the vitamin D, I was checked recently and my numbers were very good. My ND even told me to decrease my dosage because he didn't want it to get too high. I think because the bugs like to eat it, but I'm not totally sure of his reasoning. I just know that I take one pill instead of two pills per day, per his recommendation.

I think I covered everything. Thank you again!!
Posted 10/5/2013 4:48 PM (GMT 0)
You seem to know a lot about supplements and you seem to have a good doctor and that is very good. Do you know if your hypothyroid is primary or secondary? Many people who treat their Lyme see their thyroid levels go back to normal. For these people it seems that Hypothyroid is secondary and pituitary gland/hypothalamus atrophy primary. Gluten certainly plays a big part in Hypothyroidsm but you are gluten free so that rules that out.

Sugar and diabetes also causes nerve and bone pain but you are watching your refined sugar so that's also good.

For the nerve pains, have you talked to your doctor about Lyrica? It is a strong drug, has side effects and it is a bit expensive but it does miracles for people with severe nerve pain. Another good thing about this drug is that it works very quickly so you would see results very quickly versus some medication that takes weeks to see its effects.

What type of magnesium are you taking? Most people take magnesium oxide because it is the most widely available and what you find at your local drugstore and supermarket. Unfortunately, magnesium oxide only has 30% or so absorbability so you have to take a lot if you are magnesium deficient.

Of all the magnesiums (Magnesium oxide, Magnesium glycinate, Magnesium chloride, Magnesium lactate, Magnesium sulfate, Magnesium hydroxide, Magnesium carbonate, Magnesium taurate, Magnesium citrate and Magnesium threonate) the better ones are magnesium threonate (Mgt) which is the best for Lyme sufferers because its concentrates work more efficiently in the brain, rebuilds ruptured synapses, and restores the degraded neuronal connections. It has also been found to improve short term memory by 18% and 100% in clinical tests. Magnesium citrate is another one with good absorbability and is widely available. The only problem with magnesium citrate is that it has laxative properties and contraindicative for people with IBS, gastritis or any type of GI issues. Magnesium works synergistically with calcium, vitamin D3 and vitamin K2, so when taking magnesium you also have to check the levels of the others to keep them in balance.

One other thing, have you had your urine tested? If yes, was any protein found in the urine? Any kidney
stones?

If you worry about MS, don't. Many symptoms of Lyme mimic MS.

Post Edited (Healing98) : 10/5/2013 10:58:59 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/5/2013 4:58 PM (GMT 0)
A word about the sublingual B-12, be sure that you get the Methylcobalmamin, not the cyanocobalmamin. The cyano type has to be converted to the methyl type before the body can use it, so why not start off with the stuff that doesn't have to be converted, right?

Also a word about any 'body work' - they all have the potential to release toxins, or open up blocked detoxing pathways, so always be prepared for a Herx type reaction until the body gets used to it. It's best to have a 'short visit', with only a minimal amount of any kind of body work for the first few visits. This will allow your body the possibility of being able to handle the sudden release of toxins better.
Posted 10/5/2013 8:54 PM (GMT 0)
Healing- I agree with your suspicion about hypothyroid being secondary in most Lyme patients. I don't know when I was infected with Lyme but I do suspect that my hypothyroidism is due to the Lyme. I don't know a lot about MSH but I believe that it is what regulates all if the other hormones, and since my MSH is low, it makes sense that my thyroid would be low as well.

I have tried Lyrica and Cymbalta and both drugs gave me terrible side effects. My doctor then put me in gabapentin (generic for Neurontin) and I haven't had any side effects. It definitely helps to control the pain, especially the nerve pain, but I am far from pain free.

In regards to the magnesium, I take magnesium Malate, as my LLMD suggested. It sounds like I should be taking magnesium threonate though, so I will definitely look into that. I don't think magnesium citrate would be good for me since I have some bowel issues.

The only urine test I have had recently was to test for mold mycotoxins (came back with very low amounts, so that's one thing to be thankful for), but I don't recall the test mentioning anything about proteins. And I've never had any issues with my kidneys, no kidney stones.

Traveler- Thank you for the info about the sublingual B12, I am totally with you- the less my body has to break down and convert, the better! Thank you also for your encouragement about the body work. Hopefully if I have short, consistent work done, my muscles and nerves won't be so reactive and I can release some of those toxins that I have undoubtedly been storing.
Posted 10/6/2013 2:50 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Joyrises,

I too have severe inflammation, the results of last proinflammatory cytokine panel that was done were going through the roof (the really scared me, and I don't get scared fast...). I'm having detox problems.Probably caused by fungus/mold. Is it possible that you might have detox problems causing the excess inflammation?  I read that you do not have problems with that. Were you tested for the MTHFR mutation?

I got this for inflammation from my dr: high doses of Omega3, combined with Berberine, Zyflamend and rather large doses of aspirin. It took a while, but it brought down the pain of the inflammation.

Then something else: were you tested for food allergies? Food allergies can cause or increase muscle pains too. A good lab for determining food allergies is US BioTec (I'm not affiliated with them, I'm in Belgium, but have had good experiences with their work).

What kind of allergic reaction did you have to the B12 injections?

The pain is indeed horrible...  It drives you crazy. Too tired to move, but too painful to stay in the same position.

I was up almost all night, bending my limbs in all directions, crying for hours. nothing helps... I finally fell asleep and today it started all over again. So I'm trying this today (for my joints, but in fact it is my whole legs and arms), an advice of one of our moderators Heather's Dad (Don), who has a lot of knowledge:

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2709672

Good luck,

MarieLS

Post Edited (MarieLS) : 10/6/2013 9:00:14 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/6/2013 10:31 PM (GMT 0)
MarielS- Thank you for mentioning the genetic mutation. I'm not sure if I was tested for that but I have definitely been wondering if my body is allowing me to detox. I never seem to get the relief that a lot of people speak of when they detox. I also have a history of mold exposure and that is when my symptoms really started to get bad, and so I have always been suspicious that mold is playing a role in my illness.

Are there specific symptoms that show the body is not detoxing properly? I have heard people with mold toxicity say that they are literally unable to sweat, but I don't have that problem. My liver and kidney blood tests have always tested out just fine and my lymphs are not particularly swollen. Just wondering what some indications may be.

I have been tested for food allergies and have a number of allergies as well as sensitivities. I'm very careful about what I eat and always look for cross contamination, so hopefully that is doing me some good.

When I tried the b12 injection, I got body wide itching and so I decided not to keep taking the injections. However, a month or so after that the body wide itching started again and it has been pretty consistent for about a year now. We can't seem to find the cause and so I just deal with it and take a lot of antihistamines.

I am sorry that you've been in so much pain. It's seriously no fun when the pain keeps you from sleeping. I know how miserable I am when I don't get the amount of sleep I need and I can definitely relate to crying in the middle of the night, more out of frustration than out of the extreme pain. It's just hard to be in pain ALL of the time. But we will get through it. I have so much faith that things will get better one day and I know that they will for you too!!
Posted 10/7/2013 2:04 PM (GMT 0)
specific symptoms...?

hard to say...

As for sweating, no problem here, I sweat like crazy... My liver and kidney tests are within range too, my lymph nodes are always a bit swollen, but not too much.

Every few months, my dr orders a proinflammatory cytokine panel, and tests my prostaglandine level - those results show how bad I herx, how much inflammation there is. These are of course not visible symptoms to us... For me I have following symptoms that go worse: joint and muscle pain, bad migraine attacks, bone pains, gaining weight because of swelling tissue means that I don't detox.

I'm sure we will make it through this 'test'... patience... the word I hate the most right now...

I'll post about the results of taking the sporanox, in a while when results start to show (hopefully...)

MarieLS

 

Posted 10/7/2013 3:35 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome, Joyrises! I am also fairly new to the site, and I am grateful for this opportunity to be a part of such a kind, supportive community! Welcome.

I am sorry to hear that you are suffering so badly. Many of your experiences, symptoms and issues are familiar to my experiences. I have not started with a llmd, but that is in the works. I am being tested tomorrow via IGeneX, and this time I know what the results will be. Unfortunately it will be positive, but finally it is good to know what I'm facing and options available. It was harder being in the dark and getting the run around.

In my own experience, I've found that when I removed all sugars (except real stevia), including fruits (expect limes, lemons) and removed all grains in all forms from my diet, the inflammation decreased noticeably. I also have removed the nightshade foods as they can cause inflammation: Potatoes, tomatoes, sweet and hot peppers, eggplant, tomatillos, tamarios, pepinos, pimentos, paprika, and cayenne peppers. Believe me, it's tough as I love those foods! I may be able to add one or two in the future, but right now they are off limits.

I wish you well and speedy answers to relieve the pain and frustration that goes with it. May you feel supported and welcomed.
Posted 10/7/2013 6:24 PM (GMT 0)
Hello joyrises! I have gone off my supplements for about 3 days. Then I start back again one by one. Hope that helps!! smilewinkgrin
Posted 10/8/2013 8:57 PM (GMT 0)
As for ways to know if you are not able to detox like others, I always felt "toxic". I just felt like maybe I had ingested poison of some sort. And, like you said, not finding the relief that others seemed to find by using detox soaks and that. Actually, for me, trying to use detoxing methods made me herx like crazy! I had to learn how to slowly ease into all of the ones I used!
Posted 10/9/2013 5:04 PM (GMT 0)

Traveler said...
As for ways to know if you are not able to detox like others, I always felt "toxic". I just felt like maybe I had ingested poison of some sort. And, like you said, not finding the relief that others seemed to find by using detox soaks and that. Actually, for me, trying to use detoxing methods made me herx like crazy! I had to learn how to slowly ease into all of the ones I used!

I love this from Traveler. Sometimes I want to jump in try "anything" in hopes of getting relief, when what I really need to do is listen to what my body is telling me. It's been a challenge when the pain is screaming so loudly. But this is what I have learned to do, even if some think it's totally crazy....maybe it will encourage some out there.

When I hurt, or my brain feels like a monster has taken over, I talk to that part of my body. I say "elbow, I know you hurt a lot right now, and I'm not ignoring you. But we have to figure out a way to help you feel better, not focus on this pain. What do we need to do?" And believe it or not, something will pop in my head that will help. Sometimes it seems crazy and sometimes I don't want to do what pops in my head, but if I listen and do it, I do feel better. Usually not 100% but there is definitely some reprieve.

My battle through this journey has been so much on the mental side. There is a lot of physical pain, and a lot of neurological crap going on, but if I can keep my focus on my goal....living free......it really does help.

I hope this encourages someone out there today. Don't ever give up, and never lose hope. Your body knows exactly what it needs and it's fighting to the very best of its ability. I know you are doing what you can to help it along. Be of good courage and remember you are stronger than you think.
Posted 10/9/2013 5:26 PM (GMT 0)
I love everything you said, living free! I have tried to shift my focus onto being thankful that my body is reacting because it really is trying to tell me something. It hasn't forsaken me, it's trying desperately to survive. I too believe that the mental aspect plays such an important role in regaining our health.

I don't think you are crazy for talking to your ailing body either, I have done similar things and find that even naming my pains out loud is somewhat freeing. Have you ever tried EFT (emotional freedom technique)? At first, I thought it was a little bit out there, but I really do find that the tapping relaxes me. YouTube EFT Julie Schiffman and you can try it out for yourself. I should mention that this is probably best suited for someone with an open mind :)

All my best,
Joy
Posted 10/9/2013 6:52 PM (GMT 0)
Joy, I have tried EFT,and I see the benefit of it. Tapping really relaxes a friend of mine and she has had a lot of success in her emotional healing due to tapping. It kinda gets my heart rate up and I start tapping faster and faster. It's kinda funny.

I do a lot of breathing exercises and focus on keeping those energy points open. Hot yoga is a big deal for me as well. Lately I've been REALLY cranky by the end of class, but I know it's what my body needs. And yoga helps me keep my focus...on and off the mat. :)

Blessings
Posted 12/7/2013 2:38 PM (GMT 0)
Joy-are you feeling any better? would like to know what you're taking for viruses?

Trav-where do you get boswellin? What are doses of tumeric,boswellin,ginger?
Posted 12/7/2013 3:05 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Shelly,

I take Turmeric.......3 capsules 3 x a day

Boswellia 1 capsule 2x a day

I buy mine from amazon.

I've been taking them for about 18 months,I don't know where I would be without them :-)

Painkillers were utterly useless.

Tickled
Posted 12/7/2013 3:29 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks tickled

I have been taking tumeric for about a month....my joint pain was 95% until I stopped for a few days to let my gut heal. Back on now and I'd like more info about the 3 together.

What are doses of tumeric you take? Dose of boswellin? Thanks
Posted 12/7/2013 4:53 PM (GMT 0)
Hi again,

Boswellia 400mg x2............800mg per day.

Turmeric 500 mg..........that's 3 capsules@500 mg which adds up to 1500mg three times a day,total is then 4500mg of Turmeric per day.

Tickled :-)
Posted 12/7/2013 5:00 PM (GMT 0)
I take the dame amount of turmeric, plus 4500mgs of ginger a day. My pain levels went down considerably, so I stopped the Boswellia a while back, but I believe I was taking the same amount as Tickled.

I just did a Google search for "Bowellia, Turmeric, Ginger for pain relief" and came up with a whole bunch of links!! LOL!
goo.gl/8971l5
Posted 12/7/2013 6:32 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Shelly!

Thanks for asking. I am doing better, I'm still not very mobile and have to use a wheelchair when I leave the house for doctor appointments because the pain is so bad, but it is much more manageable than it was a few months ago.

I haven't tried the bowellia, and so I will have to try that! I do take a medical food called Ultra InflammX 360 that seems to help me when I'm at my worst.

For my viruses I am taking the following:
- Monolaurin
- Lactoferrin
- Essential Oils: Hyssop, Thyme, Ravenstara

It will take me a while to work my way up to the full dose of essential oils because in order to kill the viruses, not just stop then from replicating, it requires a lot of killer power! Haha.

-Joy
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