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Posted 11/1/2014 1:41 PM (GMT 0)
As you can see by my signature, it appears I have *something* even though my IGenex lab was IND. My LLMD thinks its Lyme and ehrlichia. But after reading on this forum I wonder if I have Bart?

My symptoms are all neuro. Anxiety/panic, fatigue, insomnia, weakness, cognitive. And.....it seems like Bart is more common than ehrlichia. I never had any kind of rash or the foot pain.

Do you think I should try some Bart herbs to test the waters? I have Buhner's book on Bart, but the list of herbs is overwhelming. I cannot commit to 20 more herbs! I already take about 30 pills a day between herbs, hormones, abx, probx, anxiety meds, vitamins.

Are there 3 or 4 herbs I can take for Bart that might really make a difference?

I was thinking:
Houttuynia
Japanese Knotweed
Chinese skullcap
Soda acuta

Again, I was not diagnosed with Bart. It's just a feeling I have. Any thoughts?
Posted 11/1/2014 2:59 PM (GMT 0)
did you ask your llmd about rifampin? I think that treats bartonella
Posted 11/1/2014 5:48 PM (GMT 0)
You should remember that Lyme causes those symptoms as well. Incredible foot/leg pain is a hallmark Bart symptom, which you don't have. I would suggest that you wait to see if your Lyme treatments help your symptoms.

You've had some serious questions about your treatments, if I am remembering correctly. Have you been checked for other issues like mold exposure, adrenal issues, and thyroid issues? Those are the most common things that keep us from healing.
Posted 11/1/2014 7:26 PM (GMT 0)
I've been on adrenal and thyroid treatment for over a year. I will have to ask about mold. My HLA was normal. Is that the mold test?

I definitely don't have leg or foot pain. Did you KB? Did you have a follow up appt yet KB?
Posted 11/1/2014 7:42 PM (GMT 0)
Have you been tested to make sure that the adrenal and thyroid treatments are working? What about your liver/kidneys and that? Are they all functioning well?

There is something that is stopping your healing and that's what you need to find. You show too many positives and IND's on your tests for you to not have Lyme, so something is preventing your healing.
Posted 11/1/2014 7:54 PM (GMT 0)
Utahgal - Take a look at the Buhner website...for bart. I think there's a "pared" down protocol
sida acuta, jk, houttuynia - if I'm remembering correctly - are three.
Maybe just start with the JK, as that is good for lyme and bart...then after a few weeks, you could add the sida acuta...and so on.

I am on the JK, cat's claw for lyme...and I am thinking of dropping cat's claw and adding sida acuta for bart in a couple of weeks. Maybe later, I'll add the houttuynia.
Posted 11/1/2014 8:04 PM (GMT 0)
Traveler makes some good points. Is there something preventing me from making progress? But the LLMD ran a bunch of labs and all looked good. I will ask about mold next visit, but I thought that was what the HLA test was?

It just seems like Bart is a very common co. to get. And I know anxiety is a common symptom of Bart, as are neuro stuff! And I have my fair share of neuro stuff! I keep reading that if you do have Bart, that it needs to be treated before the other Lyme symptoms go away. So, I wonder if I do have Bart and that's why I haven't noticed any improvements yet.

I really wish there were reliable tests. This is so maddening! I will have to ask my LLMD about Bart. I just don't see as many people with ehrlichia. LLMD thinks neuro and anxiety are ehrlichia.
Posted 11/1/2014 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
You likely didn't see MisterMike's post as it posted just a few minutes before your last post - the HLA is for the gene mutation that makes detoxing harder.

If you don't test positive for Bart and don't show any of it's unique symptoms, then be careful to not get sidetracked. Lyme can cause plenty of anxiety and Neuro symptoms!! I thought I had Bart for sure with this second go round as my feet hurt terribly, but sure enough - within a week of starting my Lyme herbs, the foot pain went away!!! And I've had that horrid Bart foot pain, but I was fooled!

That's not true about one must treat Bart first. Every doctor has their own theories about what must be treated in what order, but I started with Lyme treatments, 3 months later I added in Bartonella treatments. I would have added in Babesia treatments as well, but the herbs I was going to be using weren't safe to mix with the ones I was using for Lyme and Bartonella.

Over the years that I've been on this forum, I've watched people heal from these infections in every order possible - it depends on the body, not the infection. For someone who knows they have 3 different infections, if they aren't healing from one, it's smart to start treatments for a different infection to see if they need to heal from that one first - but it's all very individual.

Ehrlichia and Anaplasmosis are a lot easier to get rid of is why you don't hear much about them. If the person goes through Lyme treatments, Ehrlichia and Anaplasmosis is almost always taken care of with those treatments.

I agree that you need a good sit down with your LLMD and a nice long talk. You need to understand what you are taking and why, and what the plan of action will be.
Posted 11/1/2014 8:41 PM (GMT 0)
This is all such great info! I will ask LLMD for the mold test that MM mentioned! Thanks MM. And it's good to learn that ehrlichia isn't quite as bad to get rid of. I will hold off on Bart herbs until I speak with LLMD. I'm thinking I might do the Infecto lab to see if we can find out which critters I have. Maybe being on abx will have helped the antibodies show up.
Posted 11/1/2014 11:45 PM (GMT 0)
It's quite possible that the abx have helped the antibodies show up - LLMD's do that all the time.

Best of luck and let us know what your doc says!!
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