Questioning the gluten free diet

astroman said...
Pirouette-

Yes, Bentonite clay is good for leaky gut. I got some overpriced brand from a chiro at the time. It had other stuff in it too.

Goggle, you'll see it.

But I don't know the controversy in its use while having lyme.

I didnt know I had lyme back then. But I knew I had leaky gut.

I understand the properties of bentonite—I have been taking it for about 9 mos. and find it works better for me over charcoal and cholestyramine. I was inquiring about your comment that it was controversial… any documentation or references on that?

thanks—
-p

I think it contains lead or some other kind of heavy metal. I use it in baths only; I don't take it orally. I use powdered Zeolite orally.

Margaret

Of course there are always exceptions. Gluten does cause inflammation in healthy people, as well as GMO… no matter what Monsanto and the FDA says otherwise. On the other hand, we can counteract inflammation as well, with Omega 3s and simple foods like sweet potatoes.

I agree w/ MM—

Small amounts of gluten may not impact a notable physical response but it's tough to understand what damage is actually being done until it's pretty bad already. And I think damage can still occur even from small amounts, especially if there is repeated exposure (let's say you only have 2 slices of toast every AM). I think your health is another factor—people who are immuno-compromised or already have other preexisting gut issues (yeast overgrowth) or other conditions that challenge the gut health are more susceptible to gluten sensitivity. And then of course there are the celiacs who cannot be exposed to even the slightest amount. Regardless, the damage has to be healed—no specific food or amount of O3 will repair holes in the gut. It is a very long arduous complicated journey.

BTW…O3 can be inflammatory itself—someone recently posted a fantastic list of anti-inflammatory foods and fish oil, one of the highest and best sources of Omega 3, was one of the highest influencers of inflammation and upon reading that, I stopped taking my O3 capsules and lost 5 lbs the next day…

-p

Post Edited (Pirouette) : 12/7/2014 3:24:27 PM (GMT-7)

Good point Girlie… Gluten is in salad dressings, and yes—soy sauce! and many many condiments and other processed foods. In the past 30-40 years as so much food has become processed, it's increasingly added as a binder to just about anything. So even people who are not eating grains can get a load of it.

And another good point about the symptoms—I would NOT have such damage right now had I known it was occurring before it got so bad.

-p

Oats don't contain gluten unless there is cross-contamination ie from the facility that processes it.
I buy my oats from our health food store and it does not produce anything containing gluten in the factory.

Even though oats don't contain gluten - they still cause a reaction in some people with celiac disease. It's still not known what is actually triggering it.
My son was doing a challenge by eating oats several times a week to see if he could eat oats and then went to the Dr for a blood test - and the Dr denied the test!!!!
His regular Dr who would have given him a lab req wasn't available and has now retired.
This Dr he went to is known for denying lab work - what an AH.

We never had the small intestine biopsy done when he was diagnosed with celiac as it is invasive - but the deal we made with our son was he had to commit to a lifelong gluten free diet and get regular blood work to confirm he's not ingesting hidden gluten.

Yup P. I have dealt with several AH Dr.s over the years...I guess I have bad luck.... and the ones who aren't AH's are just ignorant.

Like someone said in another post "if I did my job that poorly, I'd be fired".

Oops... Off-topic...sorry everyone.

My SIL can't even be around a little wheat flour without reacting. If there's flour dust in the air she will react. I think if she even touches it, she will react. It makes life difficult for her.

Good Lord Kate,

After all these posts, what on earth are you going to do?

Margaret

found this interesting thread I thought deserved another go-around

I started trying to read all the posts so I didn't duplicate any info, but I'm at work and it's interfering with my reading, lol. I had been kinda feeling the same way about gluten. I don't feel like it effects me at all. I never had any joint pains until starting Doxycycline, now there are definite joint pains.

But I had given up sugar, dairy, gluten, and all processed foods pretty much in that order starting 4 years ago, before any Lyme symptoms, just trying to be healthy and loose some weight. But I was like Katebirch, I ate healthy. If I had bread, I ate Ezekiel Bread or Eureka Organic bread. The Ezekiel bread is not like having a nice soft piece of bread. It's dry and for me, needs some salt, but it's a healthy bread, and grilled makes a good sandwich. The Eureka Organic is AWESOME, but not sprouted grains.

And I know everyone's tastes are different, but as far as pasta goes, the best I found was Tinkyada Brown Rice Pasta.
https://www.amazon.com/Tinkyada-Brown-Pasta-Spaghetti-Ounce/dp/B000FK63IS.
It has the texture of regular pasta, no matter what shape. The Ezekiel pasta does not have the same texture, but there again, made with sprouted grains, which are much healthier.

Just my two cents worth. I don't know much about this disease, but I know FOOD! lol

Rikky1 said...
there's also zoodles (zucchini shaped like spaghetti). my son who hates veggies loves it.

its also ok to eat sourdough bread as the yeast that makes it eats up almost all the gluten.

Seriously? I had no idea!

Per a very good doctor friend of mine (she's never treated me, she's just a good friend who happens to be an MD), in a perfect world, no one would eat grains or sugar. This includes everyone, not just those with diseases, allergies, etc. She basically said that there is no nutritional value in either of them. And they are so ridiculously processed and chemical laden now, that our bodies don't know what to do with them, and it causes a lot of problems.

Inflammation effects more than just your joints. It effects your heart and other organs. So your body could have high inflammation levels, and you may have no symptoms.

She's not a monster - a piece of birthday cake isn't going to kill you. But the problem is that grains and sugars are a staple in most people's diets now. And a lot of them don't even realize it. People will eat cereal or granola bars labeled as "heart healthy" or "whole grain" or the like thinking they are making good choices, when in reality they are eating a bunch of junk. Her rule of thumb is if it's processed, it's probably not good for you.