Does anxiety indicate bartonella?

Also, back when I started treatment a number of months ago I had the biigest herx and reaction to rifampin. So I am just trying to figure out if I have bartonella. I think I do. I tested negative for it but I know that doesn't mean much,. Earlier in treatment my llmd said I probably have it but at the last appointment he said it probably wasn't a problem anymore- but I think it is since I still have the anxiety. Anyway- I see my doc this coming week and I get the HH tea. I had been planning to try the chronic tonic for a while first and then add in the hottuyunia so I could tell what was what-- but now I am wondering if maybe my bartonella is even more prominent than the lyme-- so I shold start the hh as soon as possible.

Will I just be able to tell about the bartonella when I start the HH tea because I will herx if I have it? so looking forward to being over this! The anxiety had been getting better but I am feelingit some tonight. so just sorting through my thoughts.
Thank goodness for this forum.

so literally one drop made you herx?? what did you ramp it up to? I actually ordered the tincture and the tea- I am so desperate to get better and I wasn't sure which one I would want- ugh!

I kindof thought I could start slow with the houtt. by doing a few drops.

But right nw I am just confused if my bartonella or lyme is dominant. So if I go on this chronic tonic for a while and maybe I just have bart at this point I just don't know. It is mostly anxiety and fatigue.

I'm curious about this as well. Does anxiety = Bart?

My main symptoms are:
Anxiety/panic (severe)
Insomnia
Brain fog / memory issues
Severe weakness
Fatigue but can't nap or rest
Feeling hyper/yet run down at the same time

My LLMD said it was Lyme and ehrlichia. But I think it's Bart. But I don't have any pain at all! My feet are fine! And no weird rashes. I just feel like crap!

Katebirch and others…
So sorry you are all experiencing this. I have been going insane with these same sx for the past couple of weeks. I can't get grip on things.

But I was wondering about something… I've had the disconnected-detached feeling for the most of the past 15 yrs and a lot of lyme rage as well. But only since starting the antibiotics have I started having the complete melty meltdowns, complete with anxiety and paranoia and absolute pounding in my head. But doc says this might improve when I start up Byron White herbs again (AL-Complex, A-Bart and A-Bab—which I did yesterday).

So… I was wondering—is this because the abx I'm taking for lyme brought on Bart sx? I think these sx are "crossover" sx but why did they inflame w/ abx??

-p

woke up today with more anxiety returning, and had an episode yesterday. So meanwhile I have a cabinet full of medicines and have paid thousands to the llmd- but am still not able to treat the bartonella because I am waiting for the HH to arrive in the mail. May be the end of today it arrives but more likely the end of tomorrow.


I am still glad I have my llmd to help me through this rather than just me on the internet alone. But I do see I have to be an active pat of my treatment plan.
So I could just take rifampin to get this started but I know I will want to stop it and try the HH tea-- so more likely I just have to kind of waiti it out for th enext two days with these symptoms. themalarone and doxy aren't helping that much. And I am now on the buhner herbs till my CT arrives.

So just whining I guess- It is not horrific anxiety thank goodness. But it is not fun, it just feels bad and it is pretty clearly a coinfection- or who knows maybe it is the lyme. but I feel like if it was lyme the doxy and malaroe would affect it more. They did actuallytake it down some levels from before I got back on them.
Anyway I just am glad I have HH tea coming and I hope I feel much better from it. MEanwhile I feel low energy and medium-low level anxiety today. uncomfortable.

Dr. Jernigan Indicates that Anxiety can be a result of Lyme, Bartonella and Mycoplasma. Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) can also cause anxiety. As you probably know, people with Lyme often also have high EBV counts so keep that in mind.

As for Bartonella, it is true that it can take main stage once Lyme is being treated. I had that happen to me when I started to treat Bartonella.

For some reason I get anxiety whenever I introduce a new product (dx, herb, supplement) to the mix. It lasts for 2-3 days and then it goes away. I don't know if it is a mental issue.

I've already had to take 3 Xanax today! And it's not even 11:00 yet!

I feel panicky and horrible.

And the Xanax only helps a little! Maybe only 20%. I still have horrible, nonstop anxiety. Heart pounding, shaky, fear, miserable. I wonder why the Xanax isn't helping much?

......

Hang in there Katbirch and Utahgal. I fell asleep last night for an hour and then woke up in complete panic. Cahrazy!

I have read that too, Healing98, that Bart can wrangle itself into the forefront after lyme starts to be treated. I think that could be for complicated reasons we might not understand yet—or simply that the immune system gets a little help zeroing in on the borrelia, the bart starts to get a little more freedom. I've read that many LLMDs prefer to treat bart first but while I had a positive bart test my LLMD didn't think it was positive enough to get enough treatment covered by insurance. My babs test wasn't even positive, yet those are my most prominent sx (or were, I think that has changed since I started abx 4 wks ago). But my lyme WB was CDC positive so we went took the path of least resistance. So I think it could be rather normal for people to have confusing sx with these confections and varied approaches to treatment.

cd3764—
To the contrary, I read these posts as discussions of symptoms as CRITICAL to our treatment in order to understand them and interpret what they might mean and/or be able to communicate to our LLMDs what might be evolving. The time in-between appts is every bit as critical (if not more so) as the appts themselves. Many LLMDs wouldn't even know what ails us without our ability to share the sx—and still treat us clinically without definitive tests.

I agree, to be organized is essential (but some of us have lost that ability, thanks to to cognitive challenges with the infections—and these discussions help). Without them I would not have been able to understand my own situation and sought the care of an LLMD a yr ago. As was suggested—our LLMDs rely upon us solely to provide info in order to help them treat us. Many of us are struggling to comprehend the changes in our bodies, connect the changes to logical symptoms or treatment, understand what is happening and to be able to communicate it with others with similar experiences who provide valuable feedback and input.

I know my LLMD is always always grateful that I bring to her suggestions and ideas. She is fantastic and I trust her as much as I should—but she doesn't know my body or my condition as well as I do. LLMDs know about lyme & co-infections from the information established by a few pioneers, the clinical information shared between them, but they've also learned how to treat patients from their patients—the most significant aspect of clinical dx. Let's not squelch a conversation people are having about their symptoms—and ideas that are developed from that conversation. And you might want to be cautious who you say "just trust your doctor" to… this is a tough crowd in that respect. ;)

-p

Post Edited (Pirouette) : 12/8/2014 11:30:06 AM (GMT-7)

May the force be with you! I really hope you find some success with the chronic tonic & hottuynia. Yes, being proactive is the only way we can partner with our LLMDs. They do rely very heavily on us to make the effort to help ourselves and communicate effectively.
It taxes me—I am so exhausted after my appts. And I have to take notes during them (which slows the conversation down) and then re-read and rewrite them after I get home because the stress of the appt makes the brain fog a little worse. I need an assistant! Someone young, tall, handsome, athletic with brittish humor would be fantastic if you know anyone interested in the job… ;)

-p