how am I going to get to sleep tonight?

I would encourage you to give your combo a try an hour before bed! And even though you don't remember much when reading, it if helps to put you to sleep, who cares what you remember and what you don't?

I used to read even though I didn't retain any of it to help me sleep. I have also used "circle-a-word" puzzles to help - it's so boring that the brain calms still.

My daughter had that exact same problem and we wouldn't see her until late afternoon, which would've been bad if she still had that while there's a bunch of construction going on next door. I'm not sure what therapy changed it, though. I'll have to see if she remembers. She would do better during the summer and worse in the winter, so it was light related in part at least.

I've been having that issue ft or years, very aggravating. There were a few times I would get back to nearly normal sleep but would not last and don't know why it would get ok then go bad again.

Sounds like adrenals, plus delayed phase sleep disorder. I have both problems, and it's awful!!!

The adrenals spike at night, when they aren't supposed to.

Plus, my problems are that I don't get enough done during the day, so sometimes I'm up doing it at night :(

Try Newton's "Insomnia." It's a homeopathic remedy. I'm also taking ALA, Theanine, and Relax-Mag before bed, although the Magnesium sometimes gives me diarrhea.

Sometimes, taking an abx or antimicrobial before bed makes me feel so awful, I have to go to bed!

Margaret

Same issues here Tegram. Cortisol flatline until 8-midnight it spikes. Opposite what its suppose to do. LLMD just put me on Cortef but that has me worried.

I ordered my 24hr saliva test from mymedlab online. You get the test kit in the mail from sabre sciences, capture the samples and mail back to them. Got results in about 3 weeks. They take six samples, most only take 4. I took the circadian 24hr test that included dhea and other hormones.

Nothing is ever as simple as it seems, but this may help.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1702662

Let's not forget that simply having Lyme disease is hard on the adrenals - and if you have chronic Lyme, then it's even harder on the adrenals.

There are different types of steroids -the ones that pharma produces and gives to us and the ones that our bodies produce. Some will do well on the low dose pharma ones meant to treat things like adrenals issues, a DHEA deficiency and other things - and some don't do well with the pharma version of these things and have to seek out the natural forms of these steroids - like me.

So if you are one a pharma type of medication and aren't doing well, find the natural version of it and see how you do - you can always go back to the pharma type if it works better.

I'm on natural DHEA, Armor thyroid (a natural form), a natural adrenal med and a natural support for menopause that has wild yam and other things in it that help support my body. I know that these things are all working well for me as I'm improving and I'm kind to hubby.

Roxie, keep trying different combinations of things (that are safe to combine, of course) until you find something that works for you. One thing I've discovered about this is that only rarely do you find two people that do the exact same things to help them get to sleep.

:) Happy for you, keep up the good plan!

Sayya - Many months ago..before my diagnosis...I thought maybe I had high levels of cortisol at night...because i had trouble with sleep. I read about a type of phosphatydil serine (I know I spelled it wrong)...that you take in the evening...and it eventually lowers your cortisol at night. I'm trying to think what else it had with it...maybe it was combined with holy basil - which is supposed to lower your cortisol.

I will try and find it on the net.

Actually, high cortisol at the wrong times indicates a failing adrenal gland - it's struggling so hard to continue to work, but it's all messed up! That's true adrenal fatigue if I understand correctly. Next step is what I'm trying to heal from (on top of other things ) - Addison's. When the adrenals are in the process of shutting down. I'm taking high doses of a natural adrenal med and I'm starting to feel better.

So I would encourage you to find a good doc and get in to get some help for your adrenals. Most Endo's don't know adrenal fatigue when they see it, so I used a Yahoo group that is listed here: www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/how-to-find-a-good-doc/

Astroman just jogged my memory in another thread. Google Dr. Lam, adrenal to get some good info on adrenal.