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Posted 3/9/2015 7:10 PM (GMT 0)
Have any of you suffered extreme body odor and cleared that symptom? I'm wondering what works and which infection tends to cause it more? Are there any books or resources that discuss this? Oddly, it's been one of the most debilitating symptoms for me as I tend to keep myself isolated because of it.

I have Lyme and Bart (though both appear not to be active right now according to igenex) but I currently have an active anaplasmosis, could this be causing the malodor. I know some of you have dealt with ammonia but that doesn't seem to be my issue - its more like sweaty gym type smell that doesn't seem to get relieved by bathing, antiperspirants etc.

What's causing this?
Posted 3/9/2015 7:49 PM (GMT 0)
Is it an ammonia smell? https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3338323
Posted 3/9/2015 7:54 PM (GMT 0)
While I am not allowed say this is the cause in your odor, what often happens is an elevation of the polyamine putrescine. This also corresponds to an increase in CO2. To help prevent this from happening, reducing your meat intake will help. Green tea can help as well.
Posted 3/9/2015 7:55 PM (GMT 0)
I get bad b.o. sometimes too, and sudden heavy sweating. I'm guessing that my body is flushing out toxins, but I'm not sure that that is what is going on, I just like to think positive LOL. Have you been skin brushing? I even do my armpits, and recently it hasn't been as bad.
Also look at your diet. Are you eating a lot of onions? (which are very good for you) or garlic? (ditto)asparagus? maybe those are contributing to body odor. Coffee actually can make bad b.o. as well.
Posted 3/9/2015 10:40 PM (GMT 0)

Wildmoonchild_5 said...
I get bad b.o. sometimes too, and sudden heavy sweating. I'm guessing that my body is flushing out toxins, but I'm not sure that that is what is going on, I just like to think positive LOL. Have you been skin brushing? I even do my armpits, and recently it hasn't been as bad.
Also look at your diet. Are you eating a lot of onions? (which are very good for you) or garlic? (ditto)asparagus? maybe those are contributing to body odor. Coffee actually can make bad b.o. as well.


Yes, excessive sulfur intake with a CBS C699T mutation can cause odor issues , but they are different. The smell the OP is referring to I am very familiar with. It took over a month of daily reading for me to find what it is and a lot longer to figure out how to stop it.
Posted 3/9/2015 10:51 PM (GMT 0)
Georgia Hunter, can you explain how you know what wildmoonchild is dealing with and why it isn't something else? How could you possibly know this? You aren't her doctor, nor have you seen any of her labs. Telling people that you know what it is and it isn't this or that in this manner is not acceptable on this forum.
Posted 3/10/2015 12:13 AM (GMT 0)
I think some of that has to do with Babesiosis and heavy sweating.

You do need to watch your ammonia. I remember that Razzle had some good suggestions for that.

I use African Black soap in the underarm and privates areas, and around those areas, but those are the only areas in which I use soap.

For awhile, I had to change my sheets and nightclothes a lot. If you treat Babs, it helps.

I try to avoid red meat.

What a strange complex of illnesses this is!

M
Posted 3/10/2015 12:15 AM (GMT 0)
I completely forgot: Phillips Milk of Magnesia makes a great underarm deodorant. I just take some of the liquid directly out of the bottle.

I wouldn't use any antiperspirant (BAD NEWS for Lymies) or even deodorant.

M
Posted 3/10/2015 1:05 AM (GMT 0)
Huh, I'll have to try the milk of magnesia. I tried making some with baking soda once and ended up with a terrible rash, Ouch!
Posted 3/10/2015 1:39 AM (GMT 0)

Traveler said...
Georgia Hunter, can you explain how you know what wildmoonchild is dealing with and why it isn't something else? How could you possibly know this? You aren't her doctor, nor have you seen any of her labs. Telling people that you know what it is and it isn't this or that in this manner is not acceptable on this forum.

There appears to be two separate smells in this thread and I haven't said either of the people posted have anything. I stated that a CBS C699T mutation can cause a problem when too much sulfur is ingested and that too much putrescine can also cause an odor. I've had both of these issues and they are very distinct. I gave quick, abbreviated versions of what may correct the issues. I know what I had and what helped me, who knows what the two posters have. What I have done over time is look through the posts on the forum and I often see things talked about and mentioned that I don't know anything about. I then study those things to learn about them and see if that applies to me. If it does, great, it may help. If if doesn't apply to me, than I just learned something that I didn't know. It's really helped me get better since my physician was forced by my insurance company to quit treating me.
My recommendations were to reduce meat intake, drink green tea, and if someone has a CBS 699T mutation, eat less sulfur. I apologize if those were over the line.
Posted 3/10/2015 3:18 AM (GMT 0)
From what I have read, body odour, especially underarms is an indicator that your body is detoxing. For example, I notice when I am being good and daily detoxing with lemon water the odour seems worse. Take it as a positive sign that your liver is cleaning itself out. Hope this helps, just my opinion.
Posted 3/10/2015 2:33 PM (GMT 0)

sarahm620 said...
Is it an ammonia smell? https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3338323

I don't *think* ammonia is my problem. Strange how our bodies respond so individually to these infections, eh.
Posted 3/10/2015 2:42 PM (GMT 0)

Georgia Hunter said...
While I am not allowed say this is the cause in your odor, what often happens is an elevation of the polyamine putrescine. This also corresponds to an increase in CO2. To help prevent this from happening, reducing your meat intake will help. Green tea can help as well.

Thank you for your input. I'll have to look into this. I was tested several years ago for another mutation, which I did not have, but this could be it. (oops, also responding to the info in your other reply). I'll give the dietary changes a try and see how that works for me. Did it take long for your issue to resolve after making these changes?
Posted 3/10/2015 3:06 PM (GMT 0)

Wildmoonchild_5 said...
I get bad b.o. sometimes too, and sudden heavy sweating. I'm guessing that my body is flushing out toxins, but I'm not sure that that is what is going on, I just like to think positive LOL. Have you been skin brushing? I even do my armpits, and recently it hasn't been as bad.
Also look at your diet. Are you eating a lot of onions? (which are very good for you) or garlic? (ditto)asparagus? maybe those are contributing to body odor. Coffee actually can make bad b.o. as well.

Onions, garlic and asparagus are three of my favourite foods! Lol! I just gave up coffe a couple of weeks ago. *sigh*. Guess I'll have to give up a few more things. Its finally dawning on me that sulphur is probably my issue or some aspect of sulphur anyway.

I do brush my skin and while it leaves my skin soft it's never done anything for my stinkyness.
Posted 3/10/2015 7:30 PM (GMT 0)
Indian Summer, your name begs the question about an eternally warm temperature :-) and the sweating that accompanies such warmth. Hope that's not annoying!

What was annoying for me was years of heavy sweating and odor that no deodorant or antiperspirant could touch. The things I believe helped:

1. Stopped eating meat.

2. Frequent detoxing via almost-daily exercise and sweating.

3. Removing all hair from the body--it holds odors big time!

4. The only deodorant that works for me is Mitchum Cool Dry HydroSolid. Obviously, this treats the symptom and not the root cause, but hey--maybe it will help you feel more comfortble around people.

It is water-based. This is the only deodorant/antiperspirant I've ever been able to actually wash off my skin at the end of each day instead of that sticky icky feeling from other mainstream brands. It is also the only deodorant I've ever foudn that truly stays clear on the skin instead of turning white. It keeps me dry for the most part, and at times it allows me to sweat lightly without any stinky smell. It is hard to find--I get it at CVS Pharmacy. Or you can purchase online. Good luck!

Post Edited (mauihawaii) : 3/10/2015 1:34:13 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/10/2015 9:21 PM (GMT 0)

Indian Summer said...

Georgia Hunter said...
While I am not allowed say this is the cause in your odor, what often happens is an elevation of the polyamine putrescine. This also corresponds to an increase in CO2. To help prevent this from happening, reducing your meat intake will help. Green tea can help as well.

Thank you for your input. I'll have to look into this. I was tested several years ago for another mutation, which I did not have, but this could be it. (oops, also responding to the info in your other reply). I'll give the dietary changes a try and see how that works for me. Did it take long for your issue to resolve after making these changes?


My experience was more like a roller coaster until I figured out what was going on. Once my methylation pathway began to function a little more, I didn't notice the odor as much then. I had a lot of oxidative stress and a lot of issues. I restricted my diet until I could figure out what was going on metabolically. I can eat more now, but eating off plan really affects my GI flora a lot more than before I got sick. I probably should do a CSA to see what I've got growing in there. Crypolepis and artemisia caused herxes of epic proportions. I used to have migraines as well but I was able to stop those. I still needed to eat meat, just not as much as I was eating.
Posted 3/11/2015 4:10 PM (GMT 0)
Georgia Hunter, I'd love to pick your brains a little more, I hope you dont mind. You seem to be very familiar with this topic and I'm desperate for help resolving these issues. But I feel a bit like a four year old chatting with a phd. Lol! I've googled some of the jargon you've used and I'm getting dead ends that don't apply to me (cancer, liver disease).

Do you have any links to sites that relate this issue to diet, and/or Lyme? Don't know if you can pm me, not sure how to enable that function.

And I wonder if caffeine-free green tea would help since I'm extremely caffeine sensitive and have to forgo.
Posted 3/11/2015 4:18 PM (GMT 0)
I use decaffeinated green tea and it works fine. If you would like to email me, I can provide references to what I talk about.
Posted 3/11/2015 4:38 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks, GH. I sent you an email. :)
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