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What's the likelihood of having babesia and bartonella, but not borrelia?

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Posted 4/5/2015 4:55 PM (GMT 0)
From what I understand, this is possible but I'm not sure how common it is or if there's a sure way to tell since symptoms overlap and testing isn't great.

Can the immune system get suppressed enough by "co-infections" without exposure to Lyme itself?

I realize that isn't the case for most people but it seems like Lyme is assumed when you have the usual symptoms even if you test negative.

Does anyone know of a person who is only infected by these other TBD'S?
Posted 4/5/2015 6:25 PM (GMT 0)
I've known of people that have had one of the co-infections without having Lyme, but not having multiple co-infections without having Lyme - although I don't think anyone can say that's it's not at all possible.

I would suggest that you start treatment for the other infections and assume that you will have to treat Lyme as well - but wait for symptoms of Lyme to reveal themselves before treating. It's likely that the other infections have a higher bacterial load in your body right now, so the symptoms of Lyme are suppressed and once you lower the bacterial load of the other infections, you will begin to experience more Lyme symptoms.

We all know how poor the tests are for these infections!! Just because you don't test positive, it doesn't mean you don't have the infection!
Posted 4/5/2015 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah I've been treating for Lyme and not counting it out. But I always wonder how often borrelia itself is a factor or if its possible to not be infected with it and still be sick with typical symptoms from other infections.
Posted 4/6/2015 3:08 AM (GMT 0)
There was actually one report of someone from lymemd (An LLMD blog), where there was one patient that had only babesia.

Also there are lots of cases of bartonella only.
Posted 4/6/2015 5:52 AM (GMT 0)
Just to be clear, I'm referring to those who only have the co-infections and are also symptomatic and sick. Not just those with the pathogens in them without symptoms. I know that's pretty common.
Posted 4/6/2015 1:03 PM (GMT 0)
People can have symptoms from 1 co-infection by itself. But the overall case is usually less severe. But there are people who have had bad cases of bartonella that would not go away. Lyme just makes the others 3 times worse and he immune system is less able to deal with these other pathogens.
Posted 4/6/2015 3:56 PM (GMT 0)
I just wanted to say that I agree with Lymepickle. These are highly complex infections in most cases. Infections that we have don't show symptoms until the bacterial load of the others are lowered in many cases.
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