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Posted 8/17/2015 9:29 PM (GMT 0)
I just got powdered Japanese Knotweed in the mail. I'm wondering how much (in teaspoons) should i be taking for Bartonella?
I heard you're supposed to start slow, so what is a good starting amount and what is a good maximum amount?

I know rowingmom uses 1/4 TID (What does TID mean?) 3x a day, but i remember her saying that's because they go slower and don't do full amounts.

Also how should i take this? This is my first time using herbs (I'm still on antibiotics). Should i put it in hot water and wait till it cools or can i take it in cold water too?

Like i said this is for Bartonella, not Lyme.
Posted 8/17/2015 10:05 PM (GMT 0)
http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/

Buhner's recommendations are on the left side of the home page. The coinfections are listed under the core lyme protocol. Unfortunately, this page is no longer updated.

Yes, TID means 3x daily, BID means 2x daily, QD means 1x daily.

Japanese knotweed is mainly an anti-inflammatory, but has some antimicrobial effect - not as much as some of the antimicrobials though.

I would recommend that if you want to transition to herbal bartonella treatment, that you purchase and read Buhner's book:

Healing Lyme Disease Coinfections: Complementary and Holistic Treatments for Bartonella and Mycoplasma

We put it in hot water and cool to room temperature, but if you don't want do an infusion you can put it in cold water or in capsules. This will leave you with a stomach acid extraction.

I feel that multiple methods of extraction will result in more bioavailable constituents.

All of this; dosages, sites to purchase powdered herbs and tinctures, methods of extraction are all explained thoroughly in his books. They are all wonderful.
Posted 8/18/2015 2:59 AM (GMT 0)
Burner's recommendations are not for the powdered form of Japanese Knotweed. The ones most frequently used are the capsules and tincture. I'm using powdered form mixed in liquid.

Also I know Japanese knotweed isn't used primarily for Bartonella, it's used for Lyme mostly. Thats why in the title of the post i specified Bartonella because its not talked about a lot even though he's said it's good for Bartonella.
The one thing i could find is this buhnerhealinglyme.com/basics/dosage-for-source-naturals-japanese-knotweed/ where in his answer he says to take 1 tablespoon of powdered knotweed 3x a day...but that was for Lyme not Bartonella. And 1 tablespoon 3x a day seems like a lot!

Which is why i need to know how much should I be using because i don't want to use too much and overwhelm myself but i also don't want to be taking too little and not getting any benefits.

PS. i will be adding Sida Acuta tincture in a few days when it arrives in the mail.
Posted 8/20/2015 5:19 PM (GMT 0)
bump. Please anyone have any suggestions?
Posted 8/20/2015 6:23 PM (GMT 0)
Japanese Knotweed is part of Buhner's bartonella protocol.

I looked up his protocol on his website:

For lyme he recommends 1-4 tablets of JK 3-4 X daily

For Bart he recommends 2 caps JK 3 X daily.

I know you're not doing caps or tablets, but it shows that the bart dosage is about in the 'middle ground' of the lyme dosage.

Rowingmom has written that you don't have to go to the high end of the dose range...even lower doses will work, it will just take more time.

Just remember to start low...and go slow.
Posted 9/30/2016 6:27 PM (GMT 0)
Rowing mom,

How did you go about the babesia buhner protocol? how slowly did you introduce the herbs, did you use tinctures or powders or both. did your daughter have any reactions to the alcohol in the tinctures?

thanks

katie
Posted 9/30/2016 8:49 PM (GMT 0)
Katie - I believe that Rowingmom used mainly tinctures. Hopefully she will be here soon to answer for sure though.

1000Daisies - It's recommended because of how it helps the body, not because he has a special like for the herb. Japanese Knotweed is specifically helpful because it provides endothelial protection. Endothelium is a type of epithelium that lines the interior surface of blood vessels and lymphatic vessels.

If you have access to his book, you can find a monograph on Japanese Knotweed on page 340 of the second edition of Healing Lyme.
Posted 9/30/2016 8:58 PM (GMT 0)
1000D I don't know if that's why your struggling, but a lot of people seem to have some difficulty with JK. I couldn't even use it until this month. And it is kicking my butt. But I'm going slow with it. I'm also thinking that perhaps sometimes as toxins loads are lowered we are better able to sometimes handle certain herbs and/or dosages.

I also restarted Stephania today as well since that's good for the eyes and once in a while, my eyes seem irritated.
Posted 9/30/2016 9:49 PM (GMT 0)

1000Daisies said...


Krimpet - you are doing both JK and Stephania? I was thinking it was more of "one or the other" and "not both". But you are doing both then? Interesting!

I have "foggy" eyes sometimes... seems blurry but not the regular type of blurry, if that makes sense. It can be annoying!

Yes you can do both. In fact, I've seen in many Buhner responses where he has told people to "add" it in based on their additional symptoms and they were already doing JK.

He definitely points to Stephania if you can't do JK, but yes, you can do both.

Your vision thing sounds like mine.
Posted 10/1/2016 5:31 AM (GMT 0)
Houttynia ...
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