Does anyone get cold hands or feet ever

Right hand fluctuates cold for past 5 years while in treatment in treatment, worse 9am to 3pm while at my desk in ac, some days not so bad or not at all.

Left foot gets hot and right foot is worse with pins and needles type neuropathy.

When I got to 90% healed, these sx were down to just a minor nuisance. When I relapsed last May it all flared back.

This has always been a problem from me until lately when I added red root into our protocol.

A couple of years ago I visited a science museum with my family and they had an infrared screen which projected your image using body heat. While the others' images were mostly dark blue/purple in colour, my own hands, feet and nose were a bright yellow/white (indicating cool areas). A visual representation of my own experience - kind of weird.

From the article I posted a couple of days ago:

http://www.townsendletter.com/July2015/bartonellosis0715.html

"As bartonellosis is principally an infection of the vascular system, it leads to inflammation and endothelial proliferation, disrupting blood flow at the small vessel level, such as in the capillaries and arterioles. The end result is compromised microcirculation throughout the body which can lead to the appearance of fluctuating and migrating symptoms. The manifestation of symptoms is largely associated with where in the body the blood flow compromise happens to be located."

Because there are many of these smaller vessels found in the extremities (hands, feet), it only makes sense that these would be most effected by compromised circulation.

Red root discourages rouleaux, which is the bunching up of, and rolling of RBC across endothelial (vessel lining) tissues - described in Buhner's books. This will help circulation; and it certainly has for me.

I no longer suffer from the extreme cold feeling in hands and feet, and also no longer experience numbness and tingling in my arms at night. This is a big improvement as I used to wake several times with very heavy, dead-feeling and painful (make you want to cry kind of pain) arms.

great info thank you guys!! I just ordered some red root, im going to give it a try

Yes! Painfully cold feet...same, and my left hand., and arm up past my elbow, was purple and freezing cold. It has gotten much much better...so hang in there, it takes awhile, but can and will be fine.

myeezy24 said...
U guys order red root from Woodlawn essence ? What do u take for a dose 1/4 teaspoon 3x a day or something

Yes, I order from WoodLandEssence. I only need 5 drops 3x daily to see a difference in circulation. It really helped my brain fog too. Start low. If you see an improvement, there is no need to use high doses.

Buhner does say that it can increase coagulation, so recommends taking baby aspirin or ginko biloba daily to alleviate this problem. Dan shen also decreases rouleaux across endothelial tissue, only it decreases rouleaux of WBC instead of the rouleaux of RBC that red root effects.

Hm, yes, I know, the testing's junk, and, yes, diagnosing by gauging my reaction(s) to various products is exactly what I've been attempting to do.

I've tried multiple herbs meant to target the coinfections - Bart and Babs, that is, with the CSA mixture being included, and my reactions were never as severe, with as others have described, which doesn't make any sense at all, considering how long I've been sick, how deeply embedded the infections, and how tough they're said to be to get rid of.

Actually, I didn't react at all, with some stuff.

But, even so, I've got a number of symptoms that many often chime about when speaking on those two. It's strange.

Granted, again, some symptoms do overlap. Really though, it's not my luck to NOT have at least one of them. It's just not. The symptoms tell me otherwise, and my gut tells me otherwise.

That said, I really don't know what to make of it. I mean, I don't want to make it seem like I'm some sort of special case or something, but I really wonder just how rare it is for some people's infection(s) to become, say, highly adaptable, or resistant, to the various treatments, even more so than is the norm, whether traditional pharmaceuticals OR herbals.

Whether it's due to the particular strain, or just differences in the host compared to another (different person = different dynamic the infections have with the body), I don't know.

But, still, I wonder, is it possible, or, rather, is it as rare a thing as it's painted to be? It's said that it's next to impossible for them to gain resistance to herbals, due to them being so, to put it simply, "complex," which I can appreciate.

Why do my experiences with them seem to be at odds with those sorts of statements though?

I've tried so many different herbal protocols, over the past year - both in their entirety as well as bits and pieces from various protocols at once, and, in the beginning, they're almost always effective. I herx (not as much as I'd expect to, being so sick, but, still, I herx), I feel the medicines working, and I see minor improvements.

But, then, after, sometimes, what's as little as a week or two, the herxing tapers off, I begin to plateau, and then start to get worse again, for no apparent reason, other than that the products have simply stopped having an effect on me and my infections.

I change nothing in my approach to treatment, diet, detox, nothing, and, yes, yes, I did eat right, I did detox like hell, and I did give the protocols enough of a chance.

Now, I know, a lot of factors come into play, when trying to heal from this stuff, I know. There are a lot of things that could stand in the way, I know. But, why wouldn't any one of those things stand in the way from the get-go, if they were at the root of the problem (the treatments losing their potency)?

Why would they seem to be working just fine at first, then.. not? Only explanation I've been able to muster is that the infections got used to them.

Again, I really don't want to make myself seem like I'm special.

I look to many of the people who've had success on herbal protocols, they talk of herxing so much, often off just a few drops, and being on them for months, yet gradually seeing progress, I want that too. I want them to work.

Sigh. Dunno..

Sorry for highjacking this thread. I'm a mess.

Toodles..

my feet are cold, especially noticeable at night. Often wear socks to bed. My fingers get numb and tingly. Not Raynaud's. So Im guessing Lyme and co infections.
I bought Red Root but have a problem with nausea and haven't been able to take yet.

I would get very cold hands and feet, but I don't anymore ever since I've been in treatment for protomyxzoa. Supposedly it is in the blood, makes a ton of biofilm, and really impedes circulation, so if that theory is correct then things cleared up for me because I treated protomyxzoa (most effectively with ivermectin/albenza combo).

I do think a variety of these illnesses can wreck havoc on the circulatory system.

And I could never say 1000% that it was proto that was hindering my circulation or if it was one of the other infections. Could be a combo.