Overcoming Chronic Lyme w/ Ozonotherapies

It's confusing until you know the players. I hope that was helpful.

Andrea,

I agree with many before who said your comments sound like advertising.

You thanked Traveler for "introducing" you. She didn't "introduce" you. She welcomed you. There is a difference. She welcomes all new member when they first post on the forum. Introducing you implies that she knows you or your background and approves of what you are going to say.

I'd disagree that it is easy to be misunderstood when you are writing rather than speaking. It's very easy to get your point and tone across by the words you choose. Your meaning was very clearly understood.

about mentioning doctors, it is a rule that we are not to mention doctors for their protection since doctors who treat Lyme tend to be persecuted. The exception is doctors who are already nationally know and researchers who have done extensive work we are all familar with. The doctor's name you mentioned is pushing very hard to find patients. Its very clear from his website and the youtube channel he has. He's clearly not afraid of persecution because his website and his youtube channel say very clearly that he is able to treat everything and can promise complete eradication of any sickness out there.

You stated that "this is not advertising, it's testifying". Testifying has one meaning in court - telling the truth. When it is used for describe a treatment given by a doctor it is a testimonial. Testimonials are advertising. I find it interesting that there is a testimonial on your doctor's website by "Andrea A" who has very similar speech patterns to your comments.

The last thing I would say is I find it interesting that you know so much about people in the forum, the treatments people use, and the rules regarding doctors given that you joined the forum 45 minutes before you made your comment. Could it be you spent time lurking before you posted the comment? Sounds like your intent was to advertise for your doctor's practice.

Just saying,
Kim

P.S. Traveler my intent is not flaming but to point out what I found were major inconsistencies in her story. If you feel you need to take this down, I'm ok with that.

One more article here that questions safety (June 2015):

"Possibility of thrombotic complications after ozonated autohemotherapy"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26139204

gkamon
bless you dear....I cant pretend to know your history and where you came from or why you are the way you are but I love you anyway.
From what you are saying to me it would appear as if you may have a hint of paranoia but if Im wrong please except my apologies.
If you are truly interested in Dr Minkoff I would go to Florida to meet the man. Beautiful human being doing god's work.
His facility is the largest alternative medical facility in the US. Currently his medical facility is under construction. He cant seem to keep up with the amount of people with Lyme disease flooding his office on a daily basis.

Im still on a learning curve Traveler.

My attempts here were to call someone out for spreading slander about this particular doctor. That is why I mentioned his name.

This doctor has a medical facility that offers excellent service. Again, I was trying to make a point that he had more than enough business and still continues to grow.

I dont appreciate the way people use slander to get their questions answered. This approach is passive aggressive.

These are dark negative attempts to dominate and control the conversation. This comes from a fear base and does not support a productive platform for our needs for intelligent communication and information.

Im not a doctor nor do I know everything. However, my article and correspondence on this forum was to educate how Major Auto Hemotherapy, Ultra Violet Blood Irridation, Nutritional IVs and Argentyn 23 silver have helped me to overcome the life threatening side effects with Lyme Disease.

It was also to inform people where to go to find a good doctor. The American Academy of ozonotherapies have a listing of trained doctors all over the world.

I may not be the best with artfully using words in the English language but Ive been more than polite on here.

As a matter of fact, as for the acceptance of ozone therapies, here is another ongoing thread here:
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3387545

Now this thread was started by a member that had been here a while, so we knew them when they brought these therapies, but questions are still being asked. So many have been taken for a ride that we are simply very skeptical of new therapies - and you shouldn't be upset with us for that. You did start off claiming it was the cure all, then suddenly started mentioning the other things you were doing for your treatments, so we became highly skeptical of your motives. We didn't know you, remember.

If you wish to take the time to get to know us, we are a great group of people who are very ill and are in need of good solid information about the different therapies that people are using to heal - that's all.

Thanks all for this thread.

I will add this website has a great list of Ozone doctors

http://www.oxygenhealingtherapies.com/my_ozone_doctor.com.html

There is not a ton of them but I have found a very promising one that I want my brother to try.

I understand. It seems like someone needs to be appointed to physically go to these facilities and check them out. Perhaps they can give some sort of seal of approval to establish some kind of order. I'm very passionate about the same things.

Im just a voice crying in the wilderness. But someone with abilities to stand up to the task of organizing a structure to implement some sort of order against uniformed internet health advisories needs to happen now.

Lymiesbrother

Yes, the website that you referred us to belongs to the President of the American Academy of Ozonotherapies. He wrote all the articles for that website! DR M and the President of AAOT are colleagues and work together to educate other physicians. They hold classes and teach doctors how to administer ozonotherapies properly and safely and give them certifications.

I think part of the problem is that as Lyme patients we are constantly caught between the poles of newfound hope and utter despair. I've definitely been at the point where I've started a new modality, gotten some promising results, extrapolated into the future and assumed I'd be cured shortly. Once you've been through a couple of those cycles its easy to become somewhat jaded to treatments that are being touted as a miracle cure.

I've looked into ozone a bit over the last couple of days. It does seem like it has potential but it also has been around for a while. The ozone therapy group on Yahoo was started in 1999 but slowed down a lot the last couple of years, only maybe 10 messages since 2013. I just feel like if something is truly a silver bullet it would be gaining momentum to some degree.

I did buy some ozonated oil for my oil pulling routine so I'll see what effect that has.
www.promolife.com/ozone-oxygen/puro3-ozone-oils/

What I suspect is that ozone will probably greatly help those whose body burden has a lot of mold, esp. if they have done a lot of abx and no anti-fungals. I've found that most of the Buhner herbs that are commonly taken for Lyme aren't that active against mold either. Essential oils are quite active against mold, but not many seem to be using them.

mpostelnicu > Thanks for the article, always nice to see a success story. If you read the about page on her blog it sounds like she has literally been to hell and back.

I tried Buhner / Cowden herbs for 6 months with mixed results, I found them strangely inconsistent. Initially I was able to ramp up to 30 drops of Samento (Cat's Claw) within 2 weeks without too much trouble. I then stopped taking it when I was doing a round for Babesia and later some biofilm busters. Then I tried taking 5 drops of Samento and it gave me this herx from hell. My sense is that the herbs don't really get through biofilm much at all on their own. So they can be not doing a lot if most of your remaining issues are biofilm related or infections in bones themselves. I'm probably going to use them more this winter so I'll see how things go. I think I've gotten the most results from Artemisinin though.

It's also hard to know how well people truly have gotten even when they give a % of symptom reduction. I currently ski, play ice hockey, bike, do yoga, lift weights. So in many people's eyes I am "well". However in order to return to my former career which was pretty cognitively demanding I need to fix my remaining brain issues. If I was returning to a homemaker role maybe I'd consider myself 95% now, but that's not an option for me. I just feel like the scales we have for judging recovery are not really well calibrated. Is someone who is still taking antibiotics really at 95% if they have few symptoms but their immune system is not functioning?

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Traveller > I guess my question is did you feel a lot of bone inflammation towards the end of your treatment? I'm at that point right now, it's deep in my shin bones and jaw / cheekbones. I've been able to feel where in my body the battle has been throughout treatment, each spot has been cleared one by one.

When I was using the Buhner herbs I would get a way stronger herx if I used for example clove oil (known to break up biofilms) prior to Samento. I feel like in my case there is this remaining combination of bone infection and possibly adhered biofilm as when I take known biofilm agents I will get a stronger reaction in these bone areas from the killing herbs. I found that the herbs were quite good at getting into the soft tissue spots like my neck muscles on their own though.

The frequency treatments I've been using seem to be able to penetrate into these deep bone reservoirs no problem and that's why I've been focusing on them lately. I'd just like to get back to being able to work full time in my old role that I know will entail a certain amount of stress. If that isn't doable I'll have to support myself in some other way, but my goal is to try to get back to where I was if possible.

I think everyone's 100% is different and we are probably all dealing with somewhat different issues. The woman from the blog mentioned seemed to have gone through a mental health nightmare, so just getting her head back on her shoulders might be such a relief to her. I do think she has some good ideas as far as diet goes, I think I might try to focus on that more as I've been slacking a bit in the veggie dept. recently.