Babs/Lyme question

I tested negative for babs through quest... All I could afford but, I've been on Doxy/GSE, all my joint pain went away and fatigue but from the very beginning of symptoms I've had night sweats, shortness of breath, pin prick red dots (like little red moles) neck muscles tighten up all the way to my face, a headache... All on right side, is this Lyme or should I be treated for Babesia?

Ha-ha! Happy Thanksgiving!

I tested negative with Igenex and Labcorp with Babesia but definitely have all those symptoms and was clinically diagnosed.

The thing that led me to the Lyme diagnosis was being prescribed Plaquenil which is an antimalarial. My night sweats went away over night. My eye doc asked me if I had been tested for Lyme and off I went. Now headaches seem to be the biggest problem. Thank heaven the night sweats are gone they were torture.

tbohl, if you look at some of the stories of veterans and moderators stories you'll find that some never had positive tests. They just treated for symptoms and have been successful. Traveler is one that comes to mind (I'm not slighting the rest of you, it's just names are hard to remember). She did everything with herbals because abx failed. Babesia is the one she usually ends up mentioning as the last to go. She has a link in her signature that tells her story.

I don't think she'll be on today because she definitely has family over but she never stays away long.

You can also search for "success stories". there a bunch that have been compiled into threads.

One thing to remember though is that there are a lot of false negatives with these tests and once they are in your record its hard to get people to see past them.

So keep at it and don't forget to detox.

Hope everyone had a good day,
Kim

I started out addressing Lyme. Then I added in babesia treatment a couple months later. And then bartonella herbs a couple months after that. I'd space things out by a few months, and not start out going after everything all at once. Everything I've heard is that people wind up treating for multiple infections at the same time until they're symptom free, and remaining on treatment for a few months after that before stopping.

Babesia tests are really bad. I am getting treatment from Germany, they have tested me for about a dozen pathogens, but not even bothered testing for Babesia, they just treat based on symptoms (with artemisia annua).

Because of the bad tests (even worse than lyme itself) and because it does not respond to lyme antibiotics and you need antimalarial medication for it, Babesia is one of the great reasons behind some treatment failures.

tbohl said...
Ahh I think that's why I'm not in remission, I've went into remission with just zithromax but it always came back and I think it's because I never had an antimalarial

When you go into remission you need to take some herbs to keep your immune function from collapsing again. You will not be able to kill Borrelia, once it's in it's in, unless u started antibiotics the day you were bitten by the tick, or maybe at the very most two weeks later....

During remission , I plan to take a low dose of cat's claw and jap knotweed for the rest of my life. They are proven immune stimulants and antioxidants, and will keep your immune system from being overwhelmed again by the bugs. Remember this bacteria does what it does by suppressing the immune response.

tbohl

Sorry you are at a troublesome place. I can only agree with what's been said already: treat for the coinfections while you treat for Lyme.

My LLMD only treated me for Lyme and had me transition from abx to an herbal protocol. It was due to herxing on some of the co-infection herbs that I began to suspect I was dealing with the all-too-uncommon asymptomatic Babesia/Bartonella or BabLo/BartLO infections people can have.

Now that I'm treating for both Babesia and Bartonella, I'm experiencing improvements that have me thisclose to being symptom-free.

I agree that the symptoms you've shared could indicate Babesia. And, it certainly wouldn't hurt to target Bartonella as well. I've read that Bartonella is so common that Lyme should be considered a co-infection.

Treating for the coinfections can make Lyme more vulnerable to treatment. Remember: these bugs form biofilm with each other. If you can mount a simultaneous attack, you stand a better chance at healing.

Buhner's protocols are what are bringing me to the finish line. And, I think the major reason why they are effective is because they address all aspects of healing:

"LYME PHILOSOPHY
Rather than making it a priority to kill the lyme spirochetes in any form, Stephen's approach to managing lyme disease is as follows:
1. Support collagen structures so that damage to the body systems ceases;
2. Enhance immune function so that the body can deal with the organism itself;
3. Shut down the inflammatory pathways the spirochetes initiate, especially in the CNS;
4. Treat symptoms;
5. And only then, try and kill the spirochete."

This philosophy applies to all the infections.

Best of luck to you moving forward!!

Rikky1 said...
I've been treating babesia duncani for 9 months and no matter the protocols i try it won't stay down. the best i've done is had about 6 weeks of mild symptoms but its always there. it's a nasty strain which is what you might have. still looking for that magic formula that will beat it into submission but not there yet.

I have babesia duncani in remission after being VERY positive. I used high dose artmeninsin. You can look at some of my other posts on how I did it.

I tested for Babesia microti forever with quest with nothing then finally a LLMD tested me for Babesia Duncanii and pop there it was.

Quest test for Babesia Duncaii is called .....WA1 ( for washington which apparently is its first discovery ). I am 1/256 now which is basically borderline remission.