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Posted 12/27/2015 1:23 AM (GMT 0)
It's widely known in a test tube that if you raise the temperature the bugs (Lyme and co-infections) will have a harder time surviving and dying off quicker. Infrared suanas, intense cardio, hot baths, etc. are all ways to supposedly increase your core body temperature to make your strategy of killing the bugs more effective. I've read the opposing viewpoint that there's very little you can do to raise your core body temperature so all this talk or raising it is poppycock.

Curious about thoughts on the board? Have any of these methods been successful for you? Thx.
Posted 12/27/2015 2:42 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Rikky, IMO, does it help to try and raise our temp?-Maybe a little bit. Curative?-NO
I think its something about the temp that we need, it just out of reach for our bodies to obtain without doing damage.

I have tried to incorporate raising my temp with hot baths, jogging and I even didnt take tylenol when I had the flu a couple years ago and just let my fever run wild in the name of so-called 'raising my temp'!<---that was not a good idea! I think I burnt some brain cells and did more harm than good with that.

Did any of it help me--hard to tell. Maybe a little. Although I probably never got up to any "bug killing level" past like 102-103 temps.

My reasoning back then when I did it was because I heard Yolanda Foster went to a clinic where they induced a fever in her to help eliminate her lyme disease. So unfortunately, if you know how Yolanda's health has been up until recently...raising the temp was not curative....although it may have helped "something"..


Heres an article with Yolanda speaking about it:
okmagazine.com/get-scoop/yolanda-foster-reveals-how-shes-coping-with-lyme-disease/


-Courtney
Posted 12/27/2015 4:53 AM (GMT 0)
I think as orchid rain said - it can help - but not cure.

by taking an epson salt bath for example, it kills off the toxins, so it does do something.

I remember when I didn't know I had lyme yet, I went into a jacuzzi. shortly thereafter a new symptom began - the migrating pains. I freaked out and knew there was a connection between the pains and being in hot water, but I had no idea what the connection was! Then when I figured out it was lyme a few weeks later, and read about detoxing, it then made sense.

Although chickens can be tick carriers, they cannot get lyme because their internal body temp is too high. So I guess this is where the idea of inducing a fever came from, but I don't think it is a very good treatment method!
Posted 12/27/2015 6:50 AM (GMT 0)
rikky1- That's a very thoughtful and relevant question that you raise. I conducted a lot of personal investigation on that issue when my daughter was sick. Here's an article that initially stimulated my thinking about the relevance of body temperature when approaching LD treatment:

http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/bath.html


That initial realization served as the embryo that gave birth to my home-made treatment to eliminate my daughter's pain/hypersensitivity in her body. Here's a thread that I started with the intent to share the details:

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2722003


I was able to solve that one problem, but overall my daughter still was not a healthy person. Dr. J. of the Hansa Center provided the comprehensive solution that my daughter needed. A secondary benefit was that his methods and advice provided me with a better informed knowledge base to share with others.

Body temperature is a huge issue, but is is not the most fundamental of issues. For instance, many forum members already realize that healthy thyroid function is a more fundamental issue, but is is not by any means the only issue when considering the issue of body temperature. If my memory serves me correctly, Dr. J. identified the issues of thyroid function, HPA Axis function, mitochondria function, Autonomic Nervous System function, and energy pathway status in the body as all being relevant to Heather's low 96-97 degree body temperature. There may have been other areas of consideration, but their remembrance has not been retained in my rapidly aging memory banks! Incidentally,as of last week Heather now has an average temperature of 98.4 degrees (oral).

Dr. J. has posted new and updated iterations of his article on body temperature. Rather than regurgitate what he has said, I will let you read the article for yourself. I have 2 cautions, however: 1) Don't expect an overnight reversal to a healthy body temperature, and 2) Certain lifestyle practices and pharmaceuticals may completely cancel out possible gains from any treatment.

http://davidjernigan.blogspot.com/2015/05/resetting-your-bodys-thermostat-no-more.html

Lastly, I have discovered that some physicians have made absolutist but entirely erroneous statements-of-fact. I shall not presume to judge their motives, but I surmise that that they may have spoken out of their ignorance! Wouldn't it be better for them to say that they don't know?

Here's my suggestion as to how we might philosophically approach the issue as to whether it may be possible to elevate core body temperature. All would agree that forces of nature within and outside the body have lowered the core body temperature. Is it really so unlikely that with adequately informed understanding, that one cannot intelligently and purposefully harness the forces of nature to elevate core body temperature?

rikky1- I wish you the best. You're on the right path to finding the solutions to your illness. I don't post much anymore, but I sometimes return just to read and to gauge the members thought processes on their individual journeys. I will now be following your story as well, and I will be rooting for you!

Don

Post Edited (Heathersdad) : 12/27/2015 12:24:47 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/27/2015 8:16 AM (GMT 0)
Borrelia impairs our body from developing high fever. Many if not all chronic lyme patients are unable to get a good high fever not even when they have the flu. The optimal growth temperature of Borrelia is somewhere around 36C and i have forgotten the time when my thermometer showed anything above 37C.

Hyperthermia treatment is useful but should be done in specialized clinics where temperature is constantly monitored and heating and de-heating are done in controlled cycles, increasing/decreasing temperature gradually... It can be really dangerous to do it at home.

Hot baths and saunas give people "herx"-like reactions most probably because they stimulate circulation of the lymph, which contains lots of toxins and dead bacteria and temporarily can make you feel more toxic. Same thing happens if you do a lot of workout.

Real hyperthermia therapy is done in clinic:

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3044023/Yolanda-Foster-documents-experiment-hyperthermia-Instagram-snap-continues-search-Lyme-disease-cure.html

"Some cases, he recommended they go to Germany for the “highly controversial” hyperthermia treatment where people spend nine hours with their body heated to 41 degrees in a clinic, often while receiving a high dose of antibiotics."
www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/09/18/lyme-like-disease_n_8156562.html
Posted 12/27/2015 3:00 PM (GMT 0)
I remember when that was the "thing" here on this forum. Everyone was talking about how to raise their body temps, but the thing is - as Mpost said - it has to be raised to a very dangerous level to provide any hope for it to be part of the treatment for these infections - 41 degrees C - that's 105 Fahrenheit!!

There are many more safer treatments that work, so I don't see that we need to go to such extremes.
Posted 12/27/2015 7:25 PM (GMT 0)
The reality is the bugs affect us in many ways lowering our body temp, like Heathersdad said.HPA axis is the turning point.They want to survive that is why they are making this .

I read about the german clinic that does hyperthermia treatment, but they induce patients an artificial coma and monitor them like hawks(no details, of course).Not to try at home.

I also got extremely sick at a spa.I love the Epsom salt baths though.And after pilates when I could do it(but I slowly restart ;) ) my HB went up for 2 hrs.( I think it was somekind of a herx).I think raising the core temperature by active means helps the release of some kind of neurotransmitters in the brain(I feel much better after, but it might be just the movement).Also not to try when BBB is affected because the herx can be in the brain.

Some of us have a constant higher temperature and do not get better quicker because of it, so, I do not think it is relevant.
Posted 12/27/2015 10:37 PM (GMT 0)
IMO the last couple of comments are completely off base and miss the point. While it may be unwise or even dangerous to fool around with dangerously high temperatures and comas, we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater! Let's use at least a little common sense.

We are talking about raising the body temperature up to a level of normal or to the level of a low grade fever for a short period of time. SCIENCE has proven that most pathogens are more susceptible to both ABX and the immune system at slightly higher body temperatures. Real life experience demonstrates that fevers are part of the body's immune response.

Both of these statements are false:

"it has to be raised to a very dangerous level to provide any hope for it to be part of the treatment for these infections - 41 degrees C - that's 105 Fahrenheit!!"

"Some of us have a constant higher temperature and do not get better quicker because of it, so, I do not think it is relevant."

The first statement is false because it assumes that only dangerously high temperatures "provide any hope of being part of the treatment for these infections." Science proves otherwise!!!

The second statement is false because it is based on faulty logic. Have you ever considered that many people may have more than one crux issue that is preventing them from becoming well? In your case, have you considered that you may have other important issues that as of yet are still unidentified and untreated? I am quite happy that you don't have low body temperature, but that does not mean that it does not hinder other sick people.

This is such a basic issue that I am quite surprised that such comments would be made. NOBODY is saying that body temperature is the only issue, but science has proven that it is one of many possible issues that hinder healing. Come on- Let's reason together.

I have attached 2 articles to my post. I noticed that nobody has interacted with the content of those articles, and instead have simply given unsubstantiated opinions. How can you ignore the simple and scientific observation that a low grade fever is part of a healthy immune response?

Don

Post Edited (Heathersdad) : 12/27/2015 3:57:59 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/28/2015 2:46 AM (GMT 0)
I went on a very strenuous hike this past summer, I had read on a website that it was a moderate hike but it turned out to be much worse than I thought it would be. I ran out of water in 100 degree weather and was on the boarder of getting heat stroke so I headed back to the car. The crazy thing is that for the next 4 days I was literally 100% better with no Lyme symptoms. I do a lot of hiking and the only way this hike was different was with how hot I got.
I started researching hyperthermia and came to the conclusion it is just to dangerous for me. However after my hike I think there is some potential. A good hard workout will help you sweat to both release toxins and to mildly raise your body temp. Klinghardt says that vigorous physical activity is necessary for Lyme patients to get better. So instead of a sauna the wife and I bought a treadmill and it does help with mood, brain fog, joint symptoms etc. Some days it is really hard but you just need to push through and do it.
Posted 12/28/2015 4:15 AM (GMT 0)
When my son was born, it was standard practice to do what you can to reduce a fever...ie tylenol, wet cloths on the forehead, etc.

But, over the years, that has changed. It is thought that there is a purpose to a fever - i.e. killing the bacteria or virus.

My husband worked in a pulp and paper mill...and when he went to work with a cold in the early stages - he would spend some time in the dryer section of the machines...and raise his body temperature...he always came home feeling much better than when he left. Often by the next morning the cold was gone.

I wouldn't recommend elevating the body temperature to extremes as what is done in the German Hypothermia clinic.

I feel worse in the winter than I do in the summer...can't stand the cold since having Lyme.
Posted 12/28/2015 6:21 PM (GMT 0)

Heathersdad said...
IMO the last couple of comments are completely off base and miss the point. While it may be unwise or even dangerous to fool around with dangerously high temperatures and comas, we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater! Let's use at least a little common sense.

We are talking about raising the body temperature up to a level of normal or to the level of a low grade fever for a short period of time. SCIENCE has proven that most pathogens are more susceptible to both ABX and the immune system at slightly higher body temperatures. Real life experience demonstrates that fevers are part of the body's immune response.

Both of these statements are false:

"it has to be raised to a very dangerous level to provide any hope for it to be part of the treatment for these infections - 41 degrees C - that's 105 Fahrenheit!!"

"Some of us have a constant higher temperature and do not get better quicker because of it, so, I do not think it is relevant."

The first statement is false because it assumes that only dangerously high temperatures "provide any hope of being part of the treatment for these infections." Science proves otherwise!!!

The second statement is false because it is based on faulty logic. Have you ever considered that many people may have more than one crux issue that is preventing them from becoming well? In your case, have you considered that you may have other important issues that as of yet are still unidentified and untreated? I am quite happy that you don't have low body temperature, but that does not mean that it does not hinder other sick people.

This is such a basic issue that I am quite surprised that such comments would be made. NOBODY is saying that body temperature is the only issue, but science has proven that it is one of many possible issues that hinder healing. Come on- Let's reason together.

I have attached 2 articles to my post. I noticed that nobody has interacted with the content of those articles, and instead have simply given unsubstantiated opinions. How can you ignore the simple and scientific observation that a low grade fever is part of a healthy immune response?

Don



Yes, let's do stick to the facts here. I don't know about the other statements, but the one I made about how the body temp is raise to 41 C isnt' false at all.

"Schloeffel said some patients were treated for several months with a protocol of supplements, antibiotics and therapy.

Some cases, he recommended they go to Germany for the “highly controversial” hyperthermia treatment where people spend nine hours with their body heated to 41 degrees in a clinic, often while receiving a high dose of antibiotics."

Quoted from one of the doctors in Australia, from what I understood of the article: "Dr Richard Schloeffel described himself as “the doctor of last resort” for people with chronic disease spurring from a tick bite."

From one of the sources listed above my post:www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/09/18/lyme-like-disease_n_8156562.html

So if we can't trust one of the doctors there that is using this to speak the truth about the temps and what is done, just who are we supposed to believe?

We are not talking about a 101 - 103 temp, which is what you will get sent home with from the hospital or doctor's office, telling you to take some tylenol.

" Signs Of Heat Stroke—A Medical Emergency

Fainting, possibly the first sign
Body temperature over 104°F
A change in behavior—confusion, being grouchy, acting strangely, or staggering
Dry flushed skin and a strong rapid pulse or a slow weak pulse
Not sweating even if it is hot, acting agitated, or being in a coma

/www.nia.nih.gov/health/publication/hyperthermia
Posted 12/29/2015 7:53 AM (GMT 0)
Traveler- I would invite you to reread what I said in my post. If you look carefully, you will see that I agreed with you that high temperatures are dangerous. Nevertheless, your last post seems to be a defense that high temperatures are dangerous. I emphatically reiterate that I agree with you! However I disagree with you when you rule out the possibility of low level thermals posing a "hope" of being used as part of any treatment.

Here is the statement that I believe is flat out factually incorrect:

"Everyone was talking about how to raise their body temps,.... it has to be raised to a very dangerous level to provide any hope for it to be part of the treatment for these infections - 41 degrees C - that's 105 Fahrenheit!!"

I disagreed with your statement that high body temp "has to be raised to a very high level to provide any hope for it to be part of the treatment for these infections." The articles that I attached serve as the rationale for my position. I also made an appeal to common sense that normal or slightly elevated temperatures aids our bodies in dealing with pathogens on a routine basis. It is a facet of our immune system! You may disagree that the 2 articles provide a legitimate basis on which to base my opinion. Fine, but the fact that the human body employs a slight temperature elevation to fight infection is prima fascia proof that it offers hope of aiding an effective treatment for this illness.

In other words, dangerously high temperatures are not our only option! I am just interacting with what you actually said in the statement that I quoted. Perhaps your statement was a typo or you somehow forgot what I said when you wrote your last post.

I am not beating a dead horse here for the sake of vain argument. I have been seeking to answer the question that the originator of the thread inquired about. People inquire about the issue of low body temperature or thermal aid to treatment on this forum routinely, in fact just today, and we need to be united in the pursuit of disseminating accurate information.

Don

Post Edited (Heathersdad) : 12/29/2015 1:44:19 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/29/2015 8:32 AM (GMT 0)
(For the record, I typed this reply around 7 in the evening prior to ^Don's last post and I had forgot to hit the "submit" as I just opened my laptop and saw it was still here....please excuse if any part seems redundant to what Don recently expressed)
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For clarity, Don said:
"" How can you ignore the simple and scientific observation that a low grade fever is part of a healthy immune response? ""
I totally agree that it is part of a healthy immune response of our body creating the inflammation to in return give healing.

Traveler, the 41 degree's celsius is egual to a 105.8 F fever in what we normally read on our thermometers....Of COURSE that would NOT be SAFE as that is equal to to scary hyperthermia territory!

So we all basically know that our bodies get fevers as a part of our natural immune response turning on along with inflammation to fight & help heal infections/viruses...this is a naturally occurring thing that happens in all of us and is mostly a good thing. I recall so many times where I had a nasty cold or flu and started running a fever and granted it made me feel worse because of the inflammation firing up to fight....but when the fever finally broke and I started to sweat that cold out---that was the best feeling! Then the next day, my cold/flu symptoms would be gone! It was thanks to my immune system kicking in hard and running that fever! Now I am talking my fevers being in the 99-103 range.

Soooo, quoting ""it has to be raised to a very dangerous level to provide any hope for it to be part of the treatment for these infections - 41 degrees C - that's 105 Fahrenheit!!""
^Do our bodies require 105 F temps to be required to help to help w/ healing?--no. Lower temps than 105F do have their place with fighting and healing.

Now, will a lower-grade temp eradicate lyme?--that answer is No also. We all know lyme is too tough & complex any way you look at it when trying to fight it.

Can it help?--I believe it can have its place with some healing and can help to a possible extent.

I just know that when I had the flu and let my fever run the last time, I was already so miserable with the double whammy of lyme + flu...I didnt know if I was coming or going because I just felt so bad in general so I could not tell if it was ultimately helping so much at that time. Maybe it did, maybe it didnt.

Ultimately, this is why our lyme ravaged bodies are essentially a big bowl of inflammation soup. When our immune system *does* recognize the lyme infection(that is when lyme is not trying to evade and hide from the immune system to survive), our immune system turns on and we can actually herx from just our immune system alone trying to fight and in turn causing the inflammation. The immune system alone just isnt enough to ERADICATE lyme relying on the normal immune response w/ our fighters cells(WBC's, T-Cells, etc.) that do normally knock out common colds and such.

BUT...lower grade fevers can have their place I believe.

The link I hade previously provided regarding Yolanda Fosters treatment stated:
“We’re going to put you in a sweatbox and create a 104 fever for four hours.” I’m like, “Why? I haven’t had a fever in years?” He said, “That’s why you’re so sick. That’s the body’s natural way of fighting bacteria.” In America when you get a fever it’s medicine to knock it. I’m learning a lot of things as I go."

Yolanda Foster was actually alot better after doing this treatment. They did not go past the 104 F temp though, as 105F would have been putting it over the edge and in scary hyperthermia/heat stroke territory. She was also of course closely monitored by Doctors with the still very high temp of 104 F.

I personally was always one of those people in my younger years when I ran a temp would go straight for the tylenol/aspirin. Now since having lyme and learning SO MUCH, in hindsight there were probably times when I had the common cold that I couldve NOT taken the tylenol and just let my immune system do its job and instead of reducing the uncomfortable symptoms I was experiencing from the inflammation my immune system was creating to fight...I shouldve just rode it out and I BET I wouldve probably gotten over the common cold quicker! Actually, I distinctly recall being at my mothers house one day in my early twenties running a fever and did not have any tylenol or aspirin on hand and I remember when that fever broke, my body starting sweating and everything just openED UP and it was a good 'AHHHHH' feeling ...then I was pretty much over my cold.

So again, fevers can have their place with some healing...but not curative when comes to lyme. Its the right combination of many things for lyme as most of us know....


-Courtney

Post Edited (orchid_rain) : 12/29/2015 1:54:42 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/29/2015 8:53 AM (GMT 0)
Orchid Rain- thank you. I also do not believe in any monotherapy for this illness. That is why I referred to thermals as "a part of treatment" and "an aid". The fact that our immune system is so multi-layered and complex tells us something about that topic.

On the other hand, millions of healthy people carry these pathogens, including Borrelia, and don't succumb to the illness. That also tells us something if we are willing to receive it! I love this excerpt that Dr. Jernigan cited in another article:

The National Institute of Health (NIH) is conducting research to map all of the various types of bacteria that live in healthy individuals. The research is called The Human Microbiome Project. The NIH researchers found, "that nearly everyone routinely carries pathogens, microorganisms known to cause illnesses. In healthy individuals, however, pathogens cause no disease; they simply coexist with their host and the rest of the human microbiome, the collection of all microorganisms living in the human body. Researchers must now figure out why some pathogens turn deadly and under what conditions, likely revising current concepts of how microorganisms cause disease." (emphasis added)

Don

Post Edited (Heathersdad) : 12/29/2015 2:03:28 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/29/2015 10:02 AM (GMT 0)
Youre welcome Don....somehow the point was a little missed there.
Regarding The Human Microbiome Project, man that would be the kicker wouldnt it!?...finding out EXACTLY what makes some susceptible to illness from the pathogens while others live in harmony with them! I wont get into it alot right now as I havent had my morning coffee yet but I can CERTAINLY see how it IS all about the immune system. Hmmmm :)


Another tidbit regarding the topic of Rikky1's thread here-
In the belief that raising the body temp can still help to an extent, I personally do try to incorporate taking a bath a little while following taking my abx treatments. If there is even some hope that raising my temp can help, then the conjunction of warmth on the body with the abx in giving the bugs more trouble or giving the abx more penetration....then all the better!
(I got this little tip from a former forum member here on HW named Yogi who is no longer here because she is healed :)


-Courtney

Post Edited (orchid_rain) : 12/29/2015 3:26:38 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/29/2015 10:21 AM (GMT 0)
orchid-rain

Oh don't worry. I didn't miss a thing. Your additional info in your last post is the very point made in the Stoneybrook article that I attached. The researchers were not sure of the specific mechanism, but the ABX were demonstrated to be incrementally more effective with a low level incremental increase of temperature.

Yes, warmth may very well maximize the effectiveness of a treatment designed to eliminate the pathogens, by whatever means! I didn't think that YOU were claiming to use it as a monotherapy.

Incidentally, Yogi was a person with a curious mind, and wasn't the type of person to rely on "conventional wiadom". I had some great discussions with her. Hmmm..... I wonder where she got the idea of using warm baths?

Don

Post Edited (Heathersdad) : 12/29/2015 3:30:38 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/29/2015 10:32 AM (GMT 0)

Heathersdad said...


The researchers were not sure of the specific mechanism, but the ABX were demonstrated to be incrementally more effective with a low level incremental increase of temperature.

Awesome, thx for that...even better to know that there is evidence of!

-Courtney

P.S.
Thats cool that you recall the member Im referring to!.. Shes a sweet gal! But hmmm Im taking a WILD GUESS of where the info might have come from ;-)

Post Edited (orchid_rain) : 12/29/2015 3:44:15 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/29/2015 10:52 AM (GMT 0)
orchid rain- Yes the Microbiome Project is exciting! The significance of their findings is probably perceived by me a little differently than most people though. Most of the forum members seem to subscribe to germ theory, whereas I believe that immune system function is the primary issue. I have to give the researchers a lot of credit. They are moving in the right direction for sure! The "revision" that they allude to in understanding how microorganisms cause disease may be greater than they think!

P.S.

I have spoken to a multitude of people over the last couple of years, public and private. I forget some names. Is she the young woman that is now healthy and went on to have a healthy baby, and is from California? If so then I remember her exactly.

Don

Post Edited (Heathersdad) : 12/29/2015 3:56:33 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/29/2015 12:07 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah, I remember reading things about how the critters HATE heat, and that, if you raise your temperature enough, they'll get very disturbed, with some even dying off.

Actually, there was this comment someone left on a post on Buhner's website. Let me see.

http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/symptoms/sudden-onset-explosive-rage/

It's the top comment, if anyone's curious. The guy mentions a lot of other things as well. If you're on computer, use control + f to bring up the find function, then search for "heat." It seems he raised his body temperature as part of his treatment.

It's interesting, and makes some sense. To be honest, I feel like I've heard of people doing that, in some way or another, as a method of killing them off. Though, it's always met with a cautionary response. There are dangers.

Though, something to provoke small, gradual increases, that'd be good, if you could find it. Others may have mentioned, but isn't Lyme considered by some to be a "cold" illness? Instead of giving you a fever, at least after the onset's already passed, and making you burn up, it lowers the body temperature, slows the system down, in ways. It survives better that way?

What you could do, I don't know, other than being on a good treatment plan, keeping the lymph moving, and infrared sauna/biomat, if you can afford 'um. I've heard the biomat is good for raising core temp for the day. EXPENSIVE LITTLE GUYS THO.

Anyway, big hugs.
Posted 12/29/2015 5:44 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you everyone for your responses I'm sure I'm not the only one learning a lot about temperature and its potential benefit in treatment. I've started taking daily hot epsom salt baths and if anything it helps to detoxify me and I do feel refreshed after it.
Posted 12/30/2015 11:23 AM (GMT 0)
Yes, thats exactly who I was referring to Don :)



-Courtney
Posted 12/31/2015 2:31 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry, I know I disappeared for a couple of days - life got interesting again. :-)

I'm not opposed to raising the temp of the body slightly - that's done with baths all the time and why I wasn't able to use one for many years. It would simply do too much for me at the time.

But to assume that the heat therapy that is being talked about is only a slight increase isn't good - as that's not what people are talking about when hyperthermia is being talked about - and my comment was directed solely at that possibility - that's why it came after the mention of hyperthermia treatments being used.
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