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Posted 1/2/2016 8:20 PM (GMT 0)
So I've joined the ranks of the Lymies, and a few weeks ago I asked about LLMDs in my area. I finally went to one, which was a bit of a drive and expensive, but he gave me the low-down and prescribed me four drugs.

1. A twice a day antibiotic Cefadroxil
2. A twice a day on Monday, Wednesday, Friday of Clindamycin.
3. A twice a day of an anti-fungus for Candida (had minor thrush a couple of times)
4. A beta-blocker to be taken as needed.

Also, I've been taking Buhners core protocal, and doing lemon water and magnesium sulfate baths.

Of all my symptoms, I can spare the details as most are what I might consider minor, with the exception of my rapid / pounding heart. This has given me reason to visit the ER twice. The first visit they suspected pericarditis, but only signs were based on an EKG, but had no physical signs (ECHO, chest x-ray, etc...). The second time, I had the exact same symptoms, but they couldn't find anything. I've gone through Holter Monitors and that whole jaz, only to confirm that I have screwy blood pressure and tachycardia but electrically my heart is fine. No kidding! :)

So, my question stems from the following. After going on these medications, I swear I was getting better. By the second and third week, my heart issues felt more manageable, and I only had to take the beta-blockers on days I was using heavier physical activities. The last two or three days I felt like I didn't need them at all. Yesterday, I ate a half a bag of cranberries, which I heard might have an effect on biofilms (shaky evidence perhaps, but couldn't hurt right? Furthermore, I think I made the mistake many do when they start feeling better, and I got lazy with the detox stuff, and last night, I stayed up way too late, as I was feeling a bit better and enjoyed some time with friends and family.

The next morning, you might be able to guess what happened. I woke up after maybe six hours of sleep, my body was shaking, my heart pounding and racing, and my face very flush (I figure flushing was from the heart issues). My brain fog is bad, and my vision is difficult to focus. I instantly felt like my feeling of getting better was just a big "trick" from the Lyme, and couldn't help but cry. After pulling myself together, I chugged a glass of lemon water and took a good magnesium sulfate bath. Now my mind is turning and I'm going over what happened to make sense of it.

Am I right to assume that I let the detox stuff slip too much and the toxins built up in full force? Or could I be herxing from all those cranberries I ate? Wouldn't that be a crazy thought? :)

Also, has anyone had any success with these two antibiotics. I trust my LLMD, and they have been treating Lymes patients for a long time, but I've read articles concerning Cefadroxil that may show it isn't a very good idea to take for Lymes.

Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks!

- Elliot
Posted 1/2/2016 8:33 PM (GMT 0)
So you have been on this combination for about 3 or 4 weeks? Is that right? If so, then yes, the combination of your slacking a bit on the detoxing and the timing of it likely is what happened. The Lyme bacteria reproduce in the blood about every 4 - 6 weeks, so the timing played a large part in your return of symptoms, likely.

You should continue to detox quite a bit - I would actually encourage you to do more, especially right now. The fact that with a glass of lemon water and a Epsom salt bath had you able to think better shows that detoxing helps. I bet you will feel better soon.
Posted 1/2/2016 8:43 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah I think it's been three weeks now for the Cefadroxil and two weeks for the Clindamycin. That would make sense with my previous clinical issues as well, since after first being diagnosed and going under four weeks of IV Rocephin, I was fine for a couple of weeks and then got hit hard with the Lymes again.
Posted 1/2/2016 8:49 PM (GMT 0)
What Buhner's herbs are you taking. I had a horrendous racing heartbeat with Eleutherococcus and have fluttering palpitations with Sida Acuta.

Also Stephania is not suppose to be taken with Beta Blockers.

buhnerhealinglyme.com/basics/stephania-and-beta-blockers-2/

I would check all the herbs you are taking for side effects.
Posted 1/2/2016 8:55 PM (GMT 0)
Good advice to increase the detox. I've was bit 4 summers ago but didn't know it had gone chronic til last January so I can empathize about the whole feeling better being a bad joke. I have more than once felt better and sub-consciously decided life was going back to normal only to be slammed with lyme reality. I'm just coming out the other side of 9 days of misery and this time I'm going to continue with lemon water, detox baths and castor oil packs even if I'm feeling okay.

I'll never use the phrase 'turning the corner' ever again, btw.
Posted 1/2/2016 9:06 PM (GMT 0)
When I ordered these I was in a very desperate place, as I was at the stage were doctors were swearing it isn't Lymes, even though they had just got done treating me for Lymes and tested me positive twice. So I couldn't get a hold of ABX very easily, so I read on the forums about Buhner, and just ordered the basic LB Tonic Protocol. It has:

Japanese Knotweed root
Cats Claw vine bark
Eleuthero root
Sarsaparilla root
Dandelion herb

Also, my LLMD said to take the Knotweed as well.

Tilybear, I know the feeling about 'turning the corner'. People ask me all the time if I'm getting better, and I want to say yes, but I'm always so reserved in saying it knowing what might well be ahead.
Posted 1/2/2016 10:45 PM (GMT 0)
If it were me I would stop the Eleuthero root and see if your racing heart doesn't calm down.

It did for me, but we are not all alike.

~Annette
Posted 1/3/2016 10:19 AM (GMT 0)
There is no point in discussing recovery after 3 weeks of antibiotics, if your lyme is chronic. The lyme bacteria has a very long life span, of about 28 days. This means it divides once every 28 days. Most antibiotics only work when the bacteria is dividing. Hence in 28 days one bacteria will have lots of days when it is invulnerable to antibiotics and one minute of one day when it divides. All the antibiotics that are now on the market (with the exception of the combination of 3 found earlier last year which are only available in some limited trials in NY as far as we know - dapto, cefo, doxy) will not kill all bacteria, but just a percent of the total.

Sorry if this story was a bit long, but this will tell you that it is impossible to get well in one month. What happens is when the number of dead spirochetes reach a peak it happens mainly because both antibiotics and the immune system together achieve a higher kill per day. The immune system, when in good shape, can achieve the same thing helped by the herbs, without any antibiotics. When the dead pathogen load reaches this peak you feel worst.

You need to have lots of patience with this disease, and also stop asking yourself what happened on a weekly basis, you will reach no conclusion. The only thing you can say for sure, is on long term, months. With proper treatment you should get less bad days and more good days and in many months the bad days will be so few or with so little symptoms you will not notice it at all. That is what we call remission. If you live a healthy life style and keep taking some low dose herbs, you will not have problems. It certainly does not mean you got rid of the bacteria. Nobody does...

When i felt worst the only thing that truly helped me was activated charcoal, taken at night on empty stomach. Toxins from dead bacteria are excreted into bile in your duodenum and some will be reabsorbed into blood stream. The charcoal will bind these toxins and help you flush them out. I tried many other things, lemon water, chlorella, magnesium, etc... they do help but nothing even nearly as powerful as this charcoal...

Post Edited (mpost) : 1/3/2016 7:59:05 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/3/2016 5:16 PM (GMT 0)
Charcoal is awesome and so is zeolite, but finding the right time period to be able to take it without adsorbing the meds is a concern.

Right now I'm doing morning and afternoon amox and byron white a-bab and evening probiotic. I'm afraid to take anything internally lest it 'sucks up' the meds.
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