nagalase enzyme in vaccines depletes Vitamin D= severe D deficiency in vital cell tissue

I just read an article about this enzyme that shuts off the bodies ability to create, use, and store vitamin D. Vitamin D is found, in normal healthy bodies, is found in EVERY cell tissue(or is tissue cell)?

The doctors who have submitted their research on the discovery of this enzyme that is purposely added to vaccines, have disappered and/or found dead. The enzyme is nagalase(if Ive spelled that correctly)?

When i first became ill, My MD discovered I had SEVERE vitamin D deficiency. She instructed me to just purchase a supplement over the counter and return to blood tests in 3 months, which I DID however there was no change in my D level-or lack thereof. My body wasnt absorbing the supplement due to food intolerences and leaky gut, but after treating that and correcting my diet, My D levels very slowly rose....I ended up using a product that is food based aka sesame oil. I take 10,000 I.U's once weekly and noticed last fall when Id run out, and stopped taking the Vitamin D supplement that my depression, anxiety, and moods were UNcontrollable.

Also, a severe vitamin D deficiency means you're not able to absorb calcium and thus resulting in either kidney stones OR gall stones. Ive had my gall bladder removed, as well as all THREE of my sisters who also have severe D deficiency. My sister-in-law and a friend from church, both have Degenerative disc disease also low vitamin D. My diabetic husband is low in vitamin D, as well as his mother who has tested positive HIGH for cancer markers. Cancer....

Studies(according to the article I read)now link severe D deficiency to cancer.

A lab tech last month informed me to verify w/my health Ins that theyll cover vitamin D testing because for some unbeknownst reason to them, SOME insurance companies no longer cover the D testing.....hmmmm

Sweetpeaisme - you were deficient and you only take 10,000 IU's once a week?


Are your levels maintained with that dose? Have you been testing regularly?

I take 3,000 IU's daily to maintain my levels... I have to pay for my vitamin d tests (in Canada)

I would agree with Girlie - I was deficient as well, and I have been taking 6,000 IU's daily as per my doc because I can't seem to maintain my levels. And no one else in my family has been found to have low levels of vitamin D.

So that means I take 42,000 IU's a week compared to your 10,000 IU's a week, so you can see why we are concerned.

While I have no intention to argue, we do have to understand that "feeding the bacteria" can't be part of our equation. Why? Because we absolutely must have a well functioning body in order to heal, and we can't do that if we don't have all the nutrients we need, which is why we must have at least some testing with a good doc that understands the needs of these nutrients. I've been reading that in reality, the threshold for determining at what point a person is deficient in vitamin D (1,25(OH)D) is much too high, which means many more people are actually deficient. We are all different and have different needs though - to assume that we all need the same things only entraps us further.

This subject comes up from time to time, last time it was about manganese (because that's what the Lyme bacteria use most instead of iron like most bacteria) - and people were trying to avoid getting any in their body - but the thing is that the Lyme bacteria will keep on taking until the body is completely depleted of it - which of course by that point the body is in real trouble anyway - all we would be doing is helping the bacteria to take all it can. The opposite is actually what we need to do. Why?

Because we already know that a healthy body can beat these infections, so if we take in enough nutrients to make sure our body is getting what it needs despite what the bacteria uses, then our body actually gets enough to be able to get strong enough to kick those little bacteria butts!!

For those that start off with too high of vitamin D levels due to these bacteria, there is a protocol for that called the Marshall protocol, because you avoid all forms of vitamin D during that protocol. This doesn't help those that need vitamin D to heal though - I've watched several people that didn't have high levels of vitamin D that have come through this forum try to use the Marshall protocol and not do well until they switched over to a protocol that didn't avoid all forms of vitamin D.

Again, I firmly believe in testing for levels of vitamin D and that we stick closely to what our educated doctors tell us to do. We are all different with different needs. But for someone that is severely deficient, 6,000 IU's a week is a very small drop in the bucket of what they truly need.

Ursa, I want to be very clear here, we all need to do what is right for your own body and you are correct in that we are all different and much listen to our own body closely and monitor our testing. I am not arguing here, only presenting the other side and then meeting in the middle again with the understanding that we all are unique individuals.

I appreciate your honesty and open-mindedness, Traveler. Vitamin D has become a hot topic and I rarely discuss my viewpoints on it, choosing to save my energy for my healing vs playing defense. I personally feel we are just at the baby stages of understanding the complexity of Vitamin D supplementation and we don't know the long term effects yet.

I made my decision based on a lot of countless hours thinking and researching, in addition to my own body's clues, which are of primary importance to me and have not let me down to date. For those who read the studies in the link I provided, one example discusses the ligand and VDR receptor relationship - and curcumin is one of those you can find information about, if anyone chooses to research further.

Back to my body's communication with me, all I can share is that when I would try to take any form of D3 and when I take turmeric (curcumin), my body goes wild (mild/moderate air hunger, clenching teeth, herx like feelings) - which fits like a glove in what you would expect, based on the hypothesis my article link presents. The pieces make sense, in my unique case, when taken in context of the article. Adding D throws gasoline on the fire inside of me, curcumin goes to work on the VDR system. I merely decided to avoid the gasoline effect (no D) while helping the VDR (yes to turmeric). For the record, both my daughter and I get "sun sick" as well - our bodies say no to sitting in the sun, too. My daughter had a panic/anxiety incident last summer when she visited me, after being out in the sun too long. We both have low D3.

We are often our own guinea pigs - and my expectation (hypothesis) is that when I re-check my thyroid levels/antibodies, vitamin/minerals and D status down the road, I will see those numbers drastically reduced because I am reducing the pathogen load and inflammation. Time will tell. I am having a drastic reduction of the symptoms of those deficits, since reducing the pathogen load - if there was no positive change, I would have thrown this guinea pig testing out. I can't stay in the middle on D supplementation. Because even a little can cause problems, as the article discussed. My body, fortunately, is making the decision for me instead of my having to flip a coin. It is unhappy at even the slightest dose. And like the article, I have the low D3 and higher D 1,25....just like they discuss.

In closing, I do recommend, regardless of where you stand on Vitamin D protocols, that you get your D 1,25 checked. It is intimately correlated to immunity, the Vitamin D Receptor (VDR), etc. D3 is only one spoke on the Vitamin D wheel. Especially when taking megadoses of anything, keep an eye on the whole system, not just one part. People focus on only D3 just to see if their levels are getting "up there" - but as the article explained, these levels we are reaching for could be extremely flawed. I won't go into that, the article points this out in detail, if anyone wishes to read about it. It is simply a belief that makes sense to me on my path.

Again, it is nice to be in a forum where all of our research can come together. Because we aren't alike, because our bodies are so different, it is important to present all sides and experiences. I am certainly the minority, and that is ok - but there are others like me out there. I just wanted the opportunity to show that there are other modes of thought where Vitamin D levels and supplementation are concerned. I appreciate your giving me the opportunity to express that here.

Ursa, I think we do pretty well at trying to respect all points of view here, but we do try to make sure things are accurate. As you said, this is a very large ball of wax that we are dealing with and we must be careful because one thing never stands alone - something I've been fighting with doctors about all my adult life.

There was a fairly large number of members on this site at one time that tried to starve the bacteria that were inside of them by making sure they didn't take in certain nutrients. That didn't go so well and they ended up being worse off, which is why it's a red flag for me anymore.

I also think we do pretty well over all at understanding - or at least emphasizing that we are all unique individuals and we must do what we need to in order to heal. We have to listen to our body and we hopefully have a doctor to help us interpret what it means when we are first starting out or are unsure -but nonetheless, if we don't listen to our body, it will get our attention one way or another.

I think you presented your insights very well and without needing any defense. Thank you!! It was something that needs to be brought up from time to time.

ursamajor68 said...
Traveler,

I do believe we all have to be careful...you are right. I also believe that you all do a wonderful job at focusing on promoting the uniqueness of our bodies. I think we have made our points and still "feel the love" :) hope so! You and I have both discussed we are thinkers....and this is what thinkers do or they self-destruct!

YAY!!

ursamajor68 said...

Because the discussion is wrapping up here, I do want to be certain that the starving the bacteria example was just an example you gave...not directed toward my mode of thinking, correct? I don't want to close out with forum members thinking that this is what I was saying in any way. I do not support starving bacteria. I make sure my diet includes everything, every day, that my body needs AND I supplement deficiencies, but gently...avoiding megadosing and keeping an eye on levels and the grueling task of learning what minerals have relationships in the body (like the pot/sod/mag/cal delicate balance).

The Vitamin D position I take isn't to starve the buggers.....the link explained it completely, and it is much, much more complex than that.

Ok...that was defense...but only because I didn't want my methods to be interpreted incorrectly after all of our dialogue.

Thanks.........

Nope! You and I are still on very good footing. I too think good discussions are necessary to show differences in treatments and the differences in each body. I neither want to argue or attack you or anyone else here, my only point is that while you may find you do better without supplementing (and others too) this will not be true for everyone. And of course to be careful!!