DO YOU PULSE BUHNERS?

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I was on amazon .co.uk I read a review on one of buhner books.This person was critical of buhner Stating That he does not state herbs need to be pulses As they have spore cyste form.I am unsure if she meant the herbs for lyme only or the coinfection herbs.Is the coinfections a persister bacteria and parasite ?

is this true.she spoke of 3 days on 3 days off?anyone do this?

take care
elaine

I totally agree with silly sheep.

hi 1000 daisies
so sorry to hear about your childmy sypathise to you as parent It must be awfull watching your child suffereing I hope you find something that works And thanks for your answer

take care

No problem SLL :) I know that the herbs buhner currently recommend come under the no pulsing regime, but to be honest I do not know if that applies to those that others recommend/use. I think that that may be why people get this idea? Maybe.

Personally I think it is great to ask the question (both you and others) because that is the only way to get the right information about these things :)

Like 1000daisies says though it is as much about finding what works for the individual, and buhner stresses that too. I myself took short breaks from the herbs to sort out my detoxing problems, but that's not the same as pulsing. However if someone finds that pulsing works better for them then that's the way to go. There really are no 'wrong' ways. If it works it works. Plus Buhner's herbs may be widely used and successful for many but even they do not work for everyone.

1000daisies you have my deepest sympathies, as SLL says you and your child must be going through hell. I really hope that you can find an answer and a solution.

There are many who say that it is not necessary, and they have their reasons, many of which being logically sound, at least at face value.

Though, I'd urge anyone to at least consider the possibility of pulsing their herbal protocols increasing their effectiveness.

I have tried many different alternative, or rather natural, treatment methods over the past year and a half, and many of which seemed to work quite well for a time. But, in the end, all of them seemed to taper off.

Now, there are a number of reasons as to why that was the case.

I cannot say with complete confidence that it was due to X, Y, or.. maybe the fact that the infections got used to the presence of my treatment products.

I find it strange that things work well for a time, rid me symptoms and/or alleviate others, improvements are seen, and then their effects gradually lessen until they seem to stop working entirely, allowing the infections to return, or rather making their presence noticeable again.

Then, after, say, a few weeks or months have passed, I figure, let's try X product again, and then it hits me like a truck.

Again, there many possible reasons as to why that's the case. A matter of dosage, preparation, intake (absorption issues), underlying infections starting to surface as others are being eradicated, etc. I cannot think of any more at the moment, I'll admit.

But, personally, I've really been starting to consider whether or not pulsing might be something I'm in need of.

Been saying it a lot lately, but go with your gut. Feel things out.

edit: another thought is that it could depend on the people, your individual body, and how the medications are presented in your system, or, even more so, the infections themselves.

By that, I mean that, while it's all Lyme, it's all Bartonella, all Babs, all this, and all that, there are varying strains, right?

Actually, the irony, I recall reading an article a few months ago about some researchers at Mayo Clinic coming upon a new type of Borrelia.. Borrelia Mayonii.

Who's to say that there aren't subtle or even profound difference betweens all of these strains, affecting things like treatment? Even worse, consider that there are dozens more of these undiscovered strains.

At the end of the day, all I'm saying is consider the possibility. As knowledgeable as many of the people here are, sometimes, you gotta look to yourself for the answer. What's that they say, there's no one way to treat Lyme? There can be a multitude of differences between what I need to get better and what the next guy needs.

I don't know.. I feel like this topic is a can of worms. Haha..

Post Edited (NotQuiteAntonio) : 5/19/2016 12:01:49 PM (GMT-6)

In the Cowden interview in the Chronic Lyme Disease summit he said that his herbal protocol should be pulsed. It was something like 2 weeks on 1 week off.

He uses some of the same herbs as Buhner and Cowden believes the herbs do cause Borrelia to encyst. By taking a break you lure them out again and this is more effective.

It also corroborates a lot of the reports on forums that it takes a while to build up to the max herbal dose. Once stopped a small amount will make you herx again, you can't jump right back to the max dose.

I'm not sure why continuously taking a high dose that doesn't kill much of anything (and cause a herx) is considered by some to be working well.

hi not quite Antonio

thanks for your indepth answer And yes it seems like you are right As buhner states there not 1 way to treat lyme Its try and see.I wonder what causes this relapsing in people.Making them feel its gone.it then comes back thanks for sharing your experience .take care elaine

That's interesting about Cowden considering that his Samento and Banderol in combination are supposed to be able to eradicate all forms of lyme, cyst form included ..

I know that a lot of bacteria have the ability to change their form - bartonella is considered pleomorpic and mycoplasma pneumonia has forms similar to lyme ..

I have always believed that pulsing "killers" can be beneficial as it allows the body to detox and reduce the inflammation that might prevent the needed blood and lymph flow ... It is not good to keep you body in a constant state of inflammation .. What Buhner tries to do is incorporate herbs that keep the inflammation down, which would lend itself to NOT pulsing ...

Hi tick Bite 666

Thanks for the info.I have no improvement yet in any of 50 syptoms. and had this 10 years so that's a long way of for meHow are you meant to no when you are deficient and what is deficient We have nhs in the uk They wont run those kinds of tests.Are you saying a dr means its a waste of money taking sulppliments? I did read on buhner that if you have mycoplasma Which has long list of suppliments to repair.On top of miscrobial herbs That if you do not take the repair suppliments That your syptoms will not reduce,How do we no then that its not same with lymes and all coinfections? Cowdens does not have any repair supps in the program.2008 program did it has changed as I found online the old one. Think its all a try and see with all this And youd need to rob a bank to treat lymes and all coinfections at same time. Its really overwhelming As if I had access to combinations ongoing of Abx I would try that first As iv not had this.Iv bought doxy online And can get flagl 7 days worth only for whole month.thanks takevcare
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ScottishLL,

Its very difficult to sort thru all of this. We are all just individual science experiments in a never ending process. I have heard that some people learn how to do simple muscle testing to help determine if a supplement or herbal remedy will be good for them. Right now I'm thinking of a "tensor" (sp) device more popular in Europe than here in the states. By Friday my Lyme brain is looking to clock-out.

Maybe someone else can chime in

I was close.... look up Bio Tensor.

Does anyone know what is the main lyme killer in his herbs, Japanese Knotweed or Cat's Claw?