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Posted 7/20/2016 11:10 PM (GMT 0)
I'm new to the forum and need a safe place to vent and get some advice regarding my 16 yo daughter w/ Lyme, Bartonella, and Babesia. She's been treated since late March w/ Azithromycin and Mepron. Recently within the past month was started on Bactrim for Bartonella.

Her mood has been very labile, she's been terribly defiant and non compliant with her lyme regimen. She has a history of depression and cutting behavior, but who knows if this was secondary to the psych changes that can happen w/ Lyme and Bart?! Today I found out she stole $20 from me! When I confronted her she lied and denied it. Later she said she's been stealing from "lots of ppl and for yrs". I don't believe this to be true. I can't imagine that she'd be able to pull the wool over my eyes for that long. She can't explain why she took the money. I'm so very hurt, disgusted and disappointed w/ her. Anytime I call her out for something she has done wrong or try to correct her in any way she reverts to saying that she can't trust anyone, she doesn't care about her health and she doesn't understand why I do.

She's seeing a LLMD, we're doing IV UV light therapy, IV ozone therapy, Antibiotics, Herbs, etc. We've already spent about $15, 000 on her treatment. I'm so tired of giving and giving and all she does is slap me in the face and not appreciate anything we do! I hate to say this, but I don't like her as a person, I don't want to be around her, and I can't wait until she can move out to go to college. I even went so far as to look up mental health residential treatment centers today. I can't take much more of the abuse!

Sorry for the rant! Does the above behavior sound familiar to anyone? I know Lyme and Bart can cause mental health issues, but when do I throw in the towel and say this is not the disease, it's her?!

Thanks for reading!!! Any input would be appreciated!
Posted 7/20/2016 11:28 PM (GMT 0)
Hi RMTC,
Welcome to our community! I'm so glad you found us.

I'm so very sorry for all that you have been going through with your daughter, but believe me, in her mind it's a lot worse. I've experienced enough of the psychological issues that can come with Lyme and Bart to understand just how whacky your brain works. I'm sure she completely believes everything she says, as that's how her brain is 'seeing it' - of course, it's through the lenses of Lyme and Bart, so it's not a "real" picture she's seeing.

You mentioned your daughter's treatments, but is she detoxing? The bacteria release toxins each time one dies, and these toxins can drive our symptoms into overdrive.

If you haven't ​yet​, it would be helpful for you to start with reading through the thread at the top of the forum titled,"New to Lyme?...Start here!!", as it is packed full of important information, symptom lists, helpful links and pdf's, how to detox when one has these infections, information on probiotics and much more. And this is another good list of possible detoxing routines: www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html Detoxing for us is an incredibly important part of our healing.

And I think we can all understand you needing a safe place to have a rant once in a while! We surely need it.

Honestly, you can't throw in the towel and say it's 'just her' until she has successfully healed from her infections. Until then, there's simply no way to know.

What does her LLMD say about all of this?

Depending on where you live, I might have a listing for a Lyme literate counselor/Psych doc if you are interested. If so, just send me an email and let me know what you need and the area you live in. I'll be happy to take a look and see if I have anything for you.
Posted 7/20/2016 11:31 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to the forum. I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter. I hear your frustration and it is realistic for you to feel this way. As you said, you know these infections can cause mental health issues and then on top of that she's 16 and hormones are raging. I think it's important for you to be able to have some down time for yourself as it will give you an opportunity to decompress. Relationships are strained when a loved one is sick, especially when it negatively affects their personalit and overall well being. It's not just happening to the person but to the loved ones as well.

It is going to take a lot of LOVE, PATIENCE, and UNDERSTANDING as your daughter goes through the healing process. And yes, there are some hard days where you just want to run away and say forget it. Those are the times where you may just need to have some of that "me" time. It will get better as the treatments go on. If she isn't seeing a therapist, it may be a good idea, however one that also recognizes and understands Lyme. It may also be helpful if you also attended some sessions with her. This as they say, can be a bumpy ride. But I hear the love you have for your daughter and you would do anything for her....part of that is taking care of you so you can be there for her.

If you haven't yet , it would be helpful for you to start with reading through the thread at the top of the forum titled,"New to Lyme?...Start here!!", as it is packed full of important information. It also contains information on detoxing which I'm quite positive she needs to do. IV ozone by itself kills a lot of the infection, but you still have to move those infections out of the body.


http://www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html

Please continue to post to this forum so that we can support both you and your daughter through this process.
Posted 7/20/2016 11:32 PM (GMT 0)
First I'd like to welcome you to our forum. I am so sorry that you have to deal with this. I know it is very hard. And I wish I had one thing you could do that would make it all better. You are in a rough spot because you don't want to let her get away with things but you don't want to make things worse. If I were in your position and if she would do it I would try and find a support group for teens with chronic disease. I would also look into alternative treatments to add to or replace the regimen she is on. It is really common to have to try different things before finding the right answer.

One thing I can tell you is that she really is struggling. The stealing could be impulsive behavior that can be caused by Lyme. And the depression and anxiety definitely is. The depression that one gets with lyme can be so difficult. It really messes with your head. It has made me feel so helpless at times.

Can I ask you if she detoxes? If not I would definitely get some detox in her. With Lyme when the spirochetes die they build up to the point of making a body and brain toxic. That is really hard for adults to deal with much less a hormonal teenager.

I would like to suggest that you read the New to Lyme...start here which is the first post. There is a lot of information on there that will help in this journey. She is not going to research the Lyme in the state of mind she is in. So you will have to do it. Find out as much as you can to see if you can get help for her. I know that is not easy with her being so rebellious. But from the sounds of it, she is really struggling and what you are treating with is not helping her. Keep searching to find the right treatment.

And PLEASE feel free to vent. You are in a tough spot.
Posted 7/20/2016 11:38 PM (GMT 0)
Denikeef looks like we were posting at the same time 😊
Posted 7/21/2016 2:06 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you so much for the feedback and support. I'm reading w tears in my eyes. I know you're all correct. This disease affects everyone - patient, family, and friends. I am the one who finally got her diagnosed after yrs of being sick. Sometimes I just wish someone could lighten the load. But "I'm stubborn for all the right reasons" my daughter tells me. So I can't and won't give up!

As for detoxing...I've been trying to have her drink lemon water daily (but recently seems to be irritating her throat and making her cough), detox teas, Epsom salt bath every other day (she won't do it daily) and burbur and pinella. Is there anything else you can recommend that will help more with the emotional aspects of the herx?

We have an appt w her doc on Friday. It's been mentioned that some don't process bactrim well due to the sulfur. I'm wondering if she's one. Also wondering if rifampin may be a better choice for her. Any experiences?

Thank you!
Posted 7/21/2016 2:14 AM (GMT 0)
RMTC40 -
You are a warrior. Healing from lyme & co is hard enough. Trying to drag your child through it takes heroic measures. You're in the right place for support. We have a couple of amazing parents here who will be along to offer support.

I believe there was a support group for teens posted awhile back. You might do a search to see if it comes up or google.

And I totally echo the suggestions for your daughter to DETOX! Her poor brain is just suffocating. The neurotransmitter imbalances the lyme & co cause can really make you go crazy. I also echo the Pinella and Bur bur and anything that can help with inflammation like japanese knotweed.

Stay strong... and use this forum as a resource for yourself, as well. ;)

-p
Posted 7/21/2016 2:43 AM (GMT 0)
Continue to be stubborn!! Believe me, you're daughter needs you more now than she likely ever has! I grew up with these infections, and I'm in my early 50s now. The doctor all told my mom I was fine,and she believed them. I know what it's like to not have the support of your own family.

Detoxing is as important as treatments. As the bacteria die, they put off toxins, and for your daughter (me too), lots of those toxins are going through the blood brain barrier and causing her psych issues as well as the other symptoms she may have to be more intense.

You'll have to do a little experimenting with detox routines to find the right combination that help her the most, but there are many to try, depending on the needs. We can help direct you to different possibilities, and then you, and hopefully your daughter, can decide which ones to try first.

She'll need to start off slowly, as if she moves too many toxins too fast from her tissues into her bloodstream, it can cause a more intense herx instead of easing it. So go slow. Don't add in a new detoxing routine or increase any detoxing routine or in her treatments the same day. It increases the chances of herxing seriously. A general rule of thumb is no changes for 3 - 5 days after changing something either with treatments or detoxing. This way you will know immediately what caused it and you can adjust things immediately, rather than spending time trying to figure it out first.

This is a really good list of detoxing routines that at least most of us use suggestions from it. http://www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html

Binders, like activated charcoal and some natural clays, and other things, are really good for detoxing, but it can't be taken within 2 hours of foods, meds, supplements and such or it will bind to those particles instead of the toxins, and usher them out of the body. I find a 4 hour time block where I can arrange my schedules so that I'm not taking something or eating, and take the binder in the middle of that, or when I get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom. Just be sure she drinks a full 8 ounces of water with each dose so she doesn't get constipated.

Something else that's not on that list of detoxing suggestions is Dr. Jernigan's, from the Hansa Clinic (you can find it online if you're interested) , antitox formulas. You would want the CNS/PNS formula. CNS is for Central Nervous System, and PNS is for Peripheral Nervous System. Quite a peephole have had pretty good results with this.

Hang in there and know that you are not alone in this. We are here to help when we can!!
Posted 7/21/2016 3:23 AM (GMT 0)
Hi RMTC40!-

Welcome to our community. I am so sorry to hear about what your daughter and you are going through. Sending you many, many (((Hugs!)))

I am happy that you came here for support.Lyme and co-infections can be very hard to understand what is happening to your body. Especially through the teen years.

These infections can test us and our family members mentally, physically, and emotionally.

She needs to find a safe place to communicate and discuss her feelings. Like others have mentioned either a Lyme friendly psychologist or a online support group for teens dealing with Lyme.

I was on Mepron recently. I personally dealt with severe , severe depression on this med. Some people do really well on Mepron. We are all different on what works and what doesn't.

You might want to look into gene mutations. I have read others here doing a test called: 23 and me. I don't know much about this test, but you can try using the "Search" at the top of this forum.

In the search box type in: "23 and me test lyme" . This will take you to other people's threads about the test. Make sure that you type the word "lyme" after what you want to search for. This will take you to previous threads from the lyme community.

Or you can start a new thread and ask about how to get the 23 and me test.

I only got tested for MTHFR gene mutation through my LLMD. I am Homozygous A1298C. I have a harder time trying to detox my body.

I wish the very best for you and your daughter to get through this difficult time!

Best Wishes!
Posted 7/21/2016 4:20 AM (GMT 0)
RMTC40, oh yes, every bit of what you've said and more, when my daughter was 18. Honestly, I thought she was possessed. She'd been making $$$ of dollars worth of psychic hot line calls behind my back at that time and I could only think 'something had gotten a hold of her.

I wish I knew then what I know now, but I didn't have a clue, I was told there was no Lyme in Missouri. If we'd had the internet and all of this like this forum, it would have saved us both decades of pain and hurt.


So true for all of us here....this group is such a blessing! See if you can get her to check it out herself. Someone should start a place on line for kids and teens to network in and get info!
Posted 7/21/2016 12:18 PM (GMT 0)
I'm so sorry for what you are going through. We have gone through some of it as well with our teen and it was at its worst in the months leading up to the diagnosis (mainly anger/impulsivity/cutting). Things have settled down quite a bit now that he is in treatment but it's sure to wax and wane through the teen years with all the brain changes plus the tick diseases. We had visited a psychologist who was able to give us a name of a therapist who deals with Lyme patients after he was diagnosed. We haven't visited yet. You may want to look into that.

I think if our kids realize the bugs are creating some of these issues/changes, it may help them with understanding and self-compassion. There is so much shame they are dealing with because of the illness which makes them have trouble controlling their behavior. They don't want to be this way! We can see that it is affecting our DK on a spiritual level too. It is truly heartbreaking as a parent. For those of us with kids that don't have congenital Lyme, we know what our DKs were like before getting bit.

I agree with adding more detox and a binder like activated charcoal which worked miracles with DK's chronic fatigue and mops up all the debris from the treatments. We also use pinella-burbur, parsley, milk thistle, dandelion, epsom salt foot baths, cold rinse after shower, dry brush (DK's not into it but others mention it) and many supplements like co-Q10, vit c and d, nettle, magnesium, multi-vitamin and so on.

Hang in there and keep coming back for support - this is a wonderful and supporting forum.
Posted 7/21/2016 2:18 PM (GMT 0)
The only Lyme teen groups I'm aware of are on Facebook. Here is one, but you can also do a search for "teens with Lyme" on Facebook to find a few more.

/www.facebook.com/lymeteensspeak/


The thing is with these groups on Facebook, it's hard to know what they are being told unless you are a member as well. Just something to keep in mind.
Posted 7/21/2016 9:59 PM (GMT 0)
Just use caution with the tryptophan. Start very small. In these infections it can cause many changes in brain chemistry as we know and sometimes adding tryptophan can exacerbate the issue further. What happens is that it goes down the Kynurenine Pathway and can cause brain excitability, extreme nervousness, agitation etc. You definitely don't want to promote more issues. So essentially it can do the reverse of what Buhner says.
Posted 7/22/2016 12:12 AM (GMT 0)
Hello, RMTC40
Welcome to the forum and I'm terribly sorry for your reason for being here and for what you're experiencing with your daughter. Like many of the folks above, I've been through some of what you speak of with my son (it took about 12 years from first symptoms to a proper diagnosis) and we're only about 9 months into treatment (although there is some progress); what's great about the stories is that it is amazing and relieving to hear of others who really know what we have been going through and....their stories definitely give hope.

My two words of advice would be:
(1) try to keep the protocol a "no brainer" (aka - little effort) for your daughter. You mentioned that you had an LLMD and that your daughter is at times not compliant with her protocol. What I found was that there are so many ways to come at the disease, so many antibiotic / supplement combos that folks speak of...we can get overwhelmed by whether we should be on one antibiotic or supplement or another. If you trust your LLMD, follow their antibiotic and supplement suggests to the letter (although ensure a healthy Q & A at every appointment) and figure out at least 3 detox things (including any in the supplements) that will happen each day. Then, once a week, set out the antibiotics / supplements for the week, store them in the fridge, and dispense them to her at the allotted time each day in a matter-of-fact way. My son still can't understand the complexities of his protocol ....and does not respond well to me saying "did you take "x"" yet." (tried that). But we found the approach of me casually but consistently "dispensing" works well.

2) be the epitome of "cool" - as folks have mentioned it takes a long while for the healing to happen and it's not easy. I learned a few years ago that if I react negatively to my son's anger or raging or behaviour then things escalate and it takes far longer for things to calm down. So I try to be "zen in the line of fire." (although it's very, very, very hard)

On the residential treatment centre idea, that would be so helpful in giving him stronger, structured supports - I looked, but I think no such "safe" or informed place exists, sadly. Maybe some day.
Posted 7/24/2016 9:58 PM (GMT 0)

1000Daisies said...

Krimpet said...
Just use caution with the tryptophan. Start very small. In these infections it can cause many changes in brain chemistry as we know and sometimes adding tryptophan can exacerbate the issue further. What happens is that it goes down the Kynurenine Pathway and can cause brain excitability, extreme nervousness, agitation etc. You definitely don't want to promote more issues. So essentially it can do the reverse of what Buhner says.

Thanks for the heads-up. Can you provide any links with this information? I'm intrigued.
And frustrated. The more I dig into Buhner's book, the more conflicts and/or concerns I'm finding. I'm kind of frustrated right now. : |


When I was working with a nutritionist and having insominia (not knowing the other things going on), she wanted me to try tryptophan. Something told me that was not going to be good for me, so I did some googling and speaking with my doctor about it. He was the one who told me initially that tryptophan can go array. Anyway she reasearch further and shared this article with me. So based on the fact that she at least knew I was dealing with inflammation she agreed that my symptoms would just get worse. So no tryptophan for me.

I don't know why Buhner doesn't add in information about this since most with Lyme and co's are dealing with inflammation. There are other scholarly reports out there, but I like the way Dr. Herberg (below) puts it in simple terms. He is very knowledgeable.

"So, the amino acid tryptophan can basically go down two pathways. Tryptophan can go down the serotonin and melatonin pathway. So tryptophan actually converts first into 5-hydroxytryptophan, which you probably know as 5-HTP. And then after 5-HTP, that converts to serotonin, and then serotonin converts into melatonin, so that’s that pathway.

Now, if someone’s chronically inflamed, if there’s inflammation from an infection or food sensitivities, from stress and things like that, the tryptophan is going to go down an inflammatory pathway they call the kynurenine pathway. Sometimes you will test kynurenic acid to see if it’s high. Quinolinic acid is the other one that’s produced when tryptophan goes down the inflammatory pathway. So if there’s chronic inflammation, your tryptophan is going to be robbed down the inflammatory pathway instead of going down the serotonin/melatonin pathway, and that’s why you develop the deficiency.

So, one of the worst things you can do is to take tryptophan if you’re chronically inflamed. So if the patient does not have any signs of inflammation, then tryptophan is usually safe. If there’s a lot of inflammation, you’re really just going to get worse, and that’s probably why some of you know that either you’ve taken tryptophan, or you know someone who has, and it really didn’t help, or just made them worse. So I just explained the reason for that, biochemically."

http://drhedberg.com/insomnia-webinar-causes-and-natural-treatments/
Posted 7/24/2016 11:27 PM (GMT 0)
Hi all,

quick question....is it then still ok to take 5-htp (not tryptophan) if you have neuro symptoms BADLY?

Serotonin was low on OAT test and they suggested 5-htp could help? Also Quinolinic acid very HIGH.

frikfrak
Posted 7/25/2016 1:01 AM (GMT 0)
Quinolinic acid I have read is typically high in Lyme patients. Producing what, inflammation.

How are you with taking 5-htp? Are you reacting negatively.

You also want to think about supplementing with the b-vitamins for the Quinolinic acid, especially b-6.

/www.hormonesmatter.com/reducing-brain-inflammation-vitamin-b6/
Posted 7/25/2016 1:30 AM (GMT 0)
1000daisies....I know it can be frustrating. In a perfect world we would just be able to take whatever is recommended. Sigh...☹️
Posted 7/25/2016 1:59 AM (GMT 0)

RMTC40 said...
Thank you so much for the feedback and support. I'm reading w tears in my eyes. I know you're all correct. This disease affects everyone - patient, family, and friends. I am the one who finally got her diagnosed after yrs of being sick. Sometimes I just wish someone could lighten the load. But "I'm stubborn for all the right reasons" my daughter tells me. So I can't and won't give up!

As for detoxing...I've been trying to have her drink lemon water daily (but recently seems to be irritating her throat and making her cough), detox teas, Epsom salt bath every other day (she won't do it daily) and burbur and pinella. Is there anything else you can recommend that will help more with the emotional aspects of the herx?

We have an appt w her doc on Friday. It's been mentioned that some don't process bactrim well due to the sulfur. I'm wondering if she's one. Also wondering if rifampin may be a better choice for her. Any experiences?

Thank you!

Bartonella is often the underlying culprit of psychological issues; it's endotoxin causes brain swelling (encephalitis), so if you are treating bartonella, die-off may result in increased psych behaviours.

Glad you are using some good detox methods, we used them too, but here are a couple more that we really effective for K:

Japanese knotweed - tincture can be purchased from WoodLandEssence. I would start with 1 squeeze bulb 3x daily and increase if she is struggling. I found at one point that doubling the dosage would snap K out of a herx-induced tailspin within 20 minutes. We were also using the powdered herb from 1stChineseHerbs as an infusion (tea) at a dosage of 1/4 tsp 3x daily. If she is incompliant however she might resist this one. It's not very tasty.

Tinctures can be dropped into pomegranate juice which will mask the flavour, but there's not much to be done with infusions other than to down them.

In my opinion, Japanese knotweed should be used continuously throughout her treatment, whether or not you are using herbs or antibiotics. I believe it made all the difference in K's recovery.

Buhner also recommends Kudzu for encephalitis, he suggests it is the best thing for brain swelling. You can use both. It can also be found at WoodLandEssence.

Magnesium is essential for detoxification. We find that supplementation with magnesium citrate at a dosages of 150 mg at 8am, 150 mg 3pm, and 300 mg at bed time. Some people use mag glyconate but I find it too expensive.

And she needs good, multistrain refrigerated probiotics at least 2x daily at least 2 hrs after abx dosing.
Posted 7/25/2016 2:10 AM (GMT 0)

frikfrak said...
Hi all,

quick question....is it then still ok to take 5-htp (not tryptophan) if you have neuro symptoms BADLY?

Serotonin was low on OAT test and they suggested 5-htp could help? Also Quinolinic acid very HIGH.

frikfrak

Hi!! Good to see you here!

I would think the best thing to do is to try it at low dosage to see if there is a paradoxical reaction. Paradoxical reactions are fairly common and can also happen with supplements like melatonin and drugs like Benadryl.

I myself used 5-htp for a while and found it useful for what I needed it for. It won't cure the neuro symptoms, only decreasing bacterial load will do that, but it may help.

A low dose trial, titrating upward only if the low dose is not problematic seems to be the way to go. That's the way I treated every one of the herbs and supplements I have given to K.

However, if your son is metabolizing through the Quinolinic acid pathway, it would make sense that his tryptophan would be low while his quinolinic acid was high. I would be careful.
Posted 7/25/2016 6:00 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks again for all the input. Things are still rough here. The doc wanted to keep her on her current regimen of Bactrim, Azithromycin, and Mepron (w Nystatin, probiotics, Mg, curcumin, liver support supplements, etc).

I think I may call him back and ask to try a switch from Bactrim to Rifampin. It seems like her mental health declined sharply w the start of the Bactrim. He did actually mention that 5-HTP may help. I'm hesitant as she is homozygous MTHFR C677T mutation.

Thanks for the recommendation for the Japanese Knotwood. I'll look into it!

Anyone see any benefit from essential oils?

It's SO nice to know I'm not alone (although I'm so sorry that you all have had the same experiences)! I wouldn't wish this disease on my worst enemy! It throws not only the Lyme sufferer into a tailspin but also the whole family! The teen years are hard enough without adding this s**t!

I KNOW I need to remain calm especially when she's so angry and depressed. Sometimes it's so hard to do! It's exhausting...I've been fighting for her medical needs since 2013 when she had a rare spinal cord issue related to a congenital connective tissue disorder. She had complications after surgery that were difficult to diagnose as well. She was then pushed on the steps at school basically undoing the whole surgery and causing a severe spinal fluid leak and nerve root hernation. She suffered PTSD from the incident revolving around the school building and ended up self harming. She was placed in a school for kids w emotional disturbances because of her reaction to the PTSD. We eventually sued the school district for appropriate school placement. She had great 3/4 of a school year before the Lyme symptoms were unbearable. She's exhausted and desperate and so are we! How much more can one kid (& one family) take before they break?!

If it were only one or two of the above issues we'd probably be ok. But this just feels like too much!!!

Sorry for the long story and rant!!!
Posted 7/25/2016 8:50 PM (GMT 0)
1000 Daisies, we aren't doing anything specific to treat the mutation. Sadly this has been the lowest on my priority list to learn about. Even our LLMD doesn't really believe that the MTHFR mutations are something to worry about. The whole subject is very confusing and I haven't yet been able to wrap my head around it. I suspect she may be having trouble detoxing, but without more knowledge we're kind of stuck. Any suggestions?
Posted 7/26/2016 3:05 AM (GMT 0)
Hello, RMTC40

I’m so sorry for all that you and your daughter have been through; as you say, how much can a person handle?

You have been so incredibly strong for her - and I have the sense that she's inherited and learned your perseverance! I know you’re both going to get through this.

And, in the end, having endured this, I envision that your daughter is going to grow into an absolutely incredible young woman who is blessed with brains, true grit, empathy, and grace – and will build on her knowledge and experience of this time to somehow make this world a better place. I read somewhere recently (perhaps on one of this forum’s postings) that one of the pediatric llmd’s commented on what outstanding adults Lyme kids grow into.

So, on those dark nights, hold onto this dream – it’ll seem impossible, but it’s in her! And your consistent, never-give-up approach is getting her there.

And, rant all you like to vent...that's healthy and you have every reason, especially when the bureaucracy-laden, politcally (in)correct, community and societal responses to illness and issues (as you described) are crazy, and often hinder more than help.

Take care. Cyber hug.
Posted 7/26/2016 2:24 PM (GMT 0)
Simply put...I can't put into words how much the support I have received on this site means to me! You are all incredibly kind and compassionate. It's encouraging to know that these traits continue despite today's society. THANK YOU!!!
Posted 7/26/2016 2:48 PM (GMT 0)
I see that your using UV. I don't know what your spending, but I would suggest you build your own machine.

Cost about $30 to build. I use the fiber optic under the tongue. Some say it's not as efficent as using the blood withdrawal method. But one can increase the time of exposure if this is true and still get the same results.

If you could E-Mail me, I do have one heck of a library on LYME which I can put on a USB and ship to you!

God Bless,
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