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Posted 8/10/2016 11:39 PM (GMT 0)
I finally got into a Lyme doctor! So happy, but the new regimen he put me on has been tough to switch to. I was basically symptom free pulsing doxy and Flagyl, on again off again, for over 30 days. Doc switched me to flagyl 500mg, ceftin 500mg, and azithromycin 250mg daily (he wanted me on more of the ceftin and flagyl, but I couldn't handle that much, even with many natural additions.)

Anyhow, I feel WORSE. The tingling sensation is back in my hands, my cloudiness came back this afternoon, and I have a slight stiff neck. He said the herxing might happen as I am potentially coaxing out strands of the Lyme that were not getting touched before. Also, I went back to work this week for the first time since my diagnosis (I'm a teacher and was diagnosed the first week of summer).

Confused. Is this herxing or a sign that I'm taking the wrong combo of meds? Why would symptoms get worse when I take MORE antibiotics???

Thanks for all your advice in advance...
Posted 8/11/2016 12:06 AM (GMT 0)
It sounds like you are herxing with the new abx you are on.

It is normal to herx when a switch is made. We are usually on several different antibiotic combos when treating Lyme and co's...and can expect to herx on the changes - often more than once.

Are you detoxing? Can you add another method...or two?
Posted 8/11/2016 12:26 AM (GMT 0)
So sorry you are dealing with these issues!

That's exactly what happened to me when my protocols were switched. A change in protocol often results in different areas of infection being hit. That means there's always the potential for herxing.

Detoxing will help a lot with this. I'm not sure what you're doing for detoxing but you need to do more - it's our only hope of reducing symptoms.

Here's a link to a thread wherein members shared what they are doing for detoxing:

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602759

Maybe you can add a few things to your detoxing protocol and continue to add to it.

You need to stay ahead of the killing.

Good luck!!
Posted 8/11/2016 12:39 AM (GMT 0)
Girlie and cd3764,

Thanks. I will read up on detoxing. If this new regimen is indeed the killing off of a new strand, and I'm herxing now, I'm wondering if I'm taking enough as described in my post. Do you think I should push myself to take the extra regimens the doc prescribed (twice the flaygl and twice the ceftin) despite the bowel issues it causes? I was hoping maybe I'd already won, as I caught it early and was virtually symptom free for awhile.... Now I'm wondering about bigger guns.
Posted 8/11/2016 12:50 AM (GMT 0)
2blessed2bstressed,

I am not Girlie or cd and I do not know a lot about the abx route as I do herbs. However I wonder if you might consider some herbal protocol along with the abx so you don't have to take more of the flagyl and ceftin if they cause you constipation? A lot of people do both. Also with that many antibiotics are you taking probiotics to prevent candida?
Posted 8/11/2016 12:52 AM (GMT 0)
Bigger guns won't work unless you have something in place to remove the dead bodies.

Your herxing is telling us that you're unable to do that right now.

Detoxing will enable you to better handle your treatments...but you can't kill yourself while trying to kill the bugs.

Herxing is an inflammatory process and we all know inflammation is very unhealthy.
Posted 8/11/2016 1:09 AM (GMT 0)
a herx is a great sign- means the meds are killing off something.
Detox more and either live with it or mildly back off.
I always think it good to know something is working
Posted 8/11/2016 1:29 AM (GMT 0)
I agree with magoo2.

I have been fortunate that my herxes usually consisted of mild symptoms. I still increased my detoxing to tame them to just noticeable.
Posted 8/11/2016 2:38 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks, all. It sounds like some people take meds and don't herx, but remain sick anyhow. True???
Posted 8/11/2016 4:17 AM (GMT 0)
Be careful as flagyl can cause neuropathy ..i hear it can deplete b6 ...b6 toxicity can cause same symptoms ..everyhing is catch 22..not everthing is a herx and white blood cells ,liver speen and kidneys can only do what they do as fast as the do ...
Posted 8/11/2016 12:04 PM (GMT 0)

2blessed2bstressed said...
Thanks, all. It sounds like some people take meds and don't herx, but remain sick anyhow. True???

True - the people that don't herx have well-functioning detox pathways.

It's also possible the absence of a herx means treatments aren't effective, unfortunately. That would be determined by lack of improvements over time.
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