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Posted 8/29/2016 7:52 PM (GMT 0)
Whoa! Took jk and cc, one drop each at breakfast, and lunch. 2 hours after lunch I had lower abdominal cramping and extreme urge to go to the bathroom. Ive had IBS symptoms for years, but almost always constipation. This was anything but!! Phew!! Abdomen is gurgling like crazy right now!
Posted 8/29/2016 8:05 PM (GMT 0)
This is why we always suggest that people start off with only one drop of one herb - they can be pretty powerful. Please use only JK and use only one drop once a day starting in a day or two - AFTER you get the herxing settled back down. In the meantime - detox, detox, detox!!
Posted 8/29/2016 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
Will do! Heading for epsom bath right now. Ill do no more jk tonight and just do one drop tomorrow. No cc!
Posted 8/29/2016 9:58 PM (GMT 0)
So, when you start with a herb, is it correct to take 1x1drop or 3x1drop first day?
Posted 8/29/2016 11:44 PM (GMT 0)
Apparently one drop, once the first day, and work up from there.
Posted 8/30/2016 12:25 AM (GMT 0)
Definitely do 1 drop the first day (breakfast?). The second day do 1 drop two times a day (breakfast and lunch). Third day (breakfast, lunch and dinner) Day 4 try and do 2 drops for breakfast and 1 for lunch and 1 for dinner.

This is going low and slow.

Do not add in the next herb for at least a week.
Posted 8/30/2016 6:57 PM (GMT 0)
Well, in my best guestimate, cats claw caused a mild herx, though it felt anything but mild at the time. Reason I say cats claw? Today I didnt listen, again, and took 2 drops of knotweed at breakfast, and 2 at lunch. Feel ok so far. If it was the knotweed, it would have hit me by now. Its 3pm here. As I said in another thread, I took cats claw pills before, one actually, and I felt bad from it. I chalked it up to IBS then. But now im thinking I may not tolerate it.

So im not sure how to proceed. With the cats claw that is. The knotweed, ill keep using and pressing ahead. When it comes time to add the cats claw again? I dont know. And if I do, what amount?
Posted 8/30/2016 7:06 PM (GMT 0)
Keep the JK at the same dose...and do 1 drop of the Cat's claw. (just once that day)

If okay, then continue for a few days, if okay, then do 1 drop of CC twice daily. (Keep JK the same)

...and continue.

if you herx...you can stay at same dose...and up your detox....or you can drop dose to previous day's dose when you felt fine....and try to increase again in several days.
Posted 8/30/2016 7:18 PM (GMT 0)
If you are particularly sensitive or feel that you may have a high toxin load already, then it's best to wait 3 - 5 days before adding in another dose, or raising your dosage to more drops.

My herxing may or may not start as early as the same day, but sometimes it would take up to 5 days for me to herx, so I like to be extra cautious.

As Girlie said: "if you herx...you can stay at same dose...and up your detox....or you can drop dose to previous day's dose when you felt fine....and try to increase again in several days."
Posted 8/30/2016 8:13 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks you two, appreciate it!
Posted 8/30/2016 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
you're very welcome.


Let us know how you it goes.
Posted 8/30/2016 8:21 PM (GMT 0)
what's jk and cc?
Posted 8/30/2016 8:30 PM (GMT 0)
I never had digestive issues during the 5 months I was on abx.

My LLMD had me transition to the full Cowden protocol and I developed stomach pain/nausea on 3 drops each Samento and Banderol.

The pain and nausea were so strong that I didn't eat for 3 days let alone take any herbs/supplements.

That was my longest-ever herx.

Increasing from there was less "dramatic".

You may know that Samento is a type of Cat's Claw. I've taken large doses of "regular" Cat's Claw as well as Chinese Cat's Claw (Gou Teng) and think the herb in general is a good one.

Low and slow is always the way to go.

Hope the epsom bath helped....and hope you're doing a few other things for detoxing as well ;)
Posted 8/30/2016 8:30 PM (GMT 0)

caramba said...
what's jk and cc?


jk = Japanese Knotweed

cc = Cat's Claw
Posted 8/30/2016 9:24 PM (GMT 0)
Nutramedix sells Samento - it is Cat's claw (Uncaria tomentosa) with the TOA (tetracyclic alkaloids) removed and patented.
Posted 8/30/2016 11:02 PM (GMT 0)

Girlie said...
you're very welcome.


Let us know how you it goes.

Will do!

cd3764 said...
I never had digestive issues during the 5 months I was on abx.

My LLMD had me transition to the full Cowden protocol and I developed stomach pain/nausea on 3 drops each Samento and Banderol.

The pain and nausea were so strong that I didn't eat for 3 days let alone take any herbs/supplements.

That was my longest-ever herx.

Increasing from there was less "dramatic".

You may know that Samento is a type of Cat's Claw. I've taken large doses of "regular" Cat's Claw as well as Chinese Cat's Claw (Gou Teng) and think the herb in general is a good one.

Low and slow is always the way to go.

Hope the epsom bath helped....and hope you're doing a few other things for detoxing as well ;)


Thanks cd3764. Yes the epsom helped a lot. This was Samento I took, but do have some cats claw from Hawaii Pharm coming, houttuynia also for Bart.


Just a quick note. Tonight I had a doctors appointment with my GP(not who treated me for Lyme, but knows about it). Just routine visit. He asked me how I was making out with Lyme. I said I ran out of abx at 4 months, and the symptoms(joint and muscle pain, nerve and abdominal issues) didnt go away and actually started getting stronger after the abx. Told him im trying some alternative method to cure it. He said well let me know in a couple weeks how its going and if you need any help. I saw he was writing things on his laptop. I looked over his shoulder and caught a glimpse.....he was listing meds, all I could see was Lyrica, Nystatin, there was 3 more I couldnt read. I think I may have to keep my symptoms to myself for a bit, or hes going to want to pump me full of some major drugs I just dont feel like doing!!
Posted 8/30/2016 11:34 PM (GMT 0)
This is not unusual. My GP wrote down the herbs I was taking and quit when I got to about No. 10. He said, "you make sure we are monitoring your liver and kidneys, okay?' I said, sure. Mine was concerned, but was not going to make suggestions.

So you think he was writing meds he thought he would prescribe you? that is weird for him to write them before prescribing them, isn't it?
Posted 8/31/2016 12:03 AM (GMT 0)
Nystatin might be something you should consider - if not now...later - to keep the Candida in check.


Not sure about the Lyrica - some people that have nerve pain take it...but it is one you take daily...not on an 'as needed' basis.

I have decided not to try the Lyrica...and tough it out. But, if you're really suffering....it might be worth a try.
Posted 8/31/2016 2:12 AM (GMT 0)
I took Lyrica before I was diagnosed with Lyme. Boy was it strong! I was sleeping whole day. It helps with pain, but makes you useless. Literally I couldn't keep my eyes open.
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