Traveler - Question for you

Hi Traveler!

I have one question for you. You earlier wrote that you had big problems with thermoregulation of the body. How did you solve it? Which herbs did you take?

Another question. Do you think this problem is related to the malfunction of the brain, circulation (heart), nerves damage or hormones?
I would like to know where the root of the problem is in order to be able to address it.

I have severe disfunction in thermoregulation. I am constantly cold, it is not normally cold, but extremely cold. After I feel cold, I got huge pain in my ankles and my back.
Sometimes I feel cold on my legs, but on my arms I feel warm and sweat. It is so complicated.

I think that my body feels the coldness, but it cannot respond in an adequate way to warm itself - to send blood in extremities, to raise the temperature, etc. But I don't know which organ is affected, which is not sending the right signals. I thought it may be brain (centre for thermoregulation in hypotalamus not working), heart and circulation (heart cannot send blood where it is supposed to be sent because of the low blood pressure I have), nerves (damaged nerves that cannot send right signals to the brain), hormones (I am not sure how they work in terms of thermoregulation, but I know they can mess it up as well).

Thank you in advanced.

Honestly, I'm not sure what I did to correct that, other than complete treatments for these infections. Thermoregulation is controlled through the hypothalamus, and has been implicated in Lyme and in Bartonella.

I did find one place that says serotonin helps with thermoregulation - and I did take serotonin for a bit (got nervous and quit though) and still take tryptophan.
www.stopthelymelies.com/stll-blog/the-importance-of-amino-acids-in-chronic-lyme-and-mthfr-methylenetetrahydrofolate-reductase-mutations

And yes, if the blood can't get to the extremities, then they will feel cold as well. This can be from inflammation in the inside lining of the blood vessels (Bartonella) or from a hypo-coagulation state of the blood ("thick blood"/high fibrin) which is Lyme related.

I think the hardest thing to do is to support the body in all the ways it needs to be supported, since there are so many possibilities. If you can afford the testing, it can be tracked down, or you & your doc can trial some different supplements to see what helps.

I wish I had a 'quick fix' for this, but healing is what ultimately helped me. I do suffer from this a small amount this time around, so supporting all I can!

Oh!! How I can sympathize with you on that!! On cold nights, I used to literally wear 2 pair of socks to bed, along with sweat pants and a sweat shirt, and would still have to have extra blankets on the bed! And I don't even live up north!!! I'm in Arkansas!

I'm not completely sure I can be of much help with understanding the root cause, but I would encourage you to get your hormones balanced out - thyroid, adrenal, "sex hormones" - testosterone, estrogen, progesterone and so on.

Do all you can to keep your body temp up - over dressing, drinking LOTS of hot beverages, wrapping up in blankets, use heating pads to add more warmth.

As I said above, if you aren't dealing with too much fibrin in your blood, you can still benefit from taking things like turmeric and ginger, which will help thin your blood a bit so that it's pumping through your hands and feet easier, helping to keep them warmer.

And keep moving!! Even if it's just for a nice stroll around the livingroom! Moving around will help keep your blood circulating. If you are like I was, just one trip around my small livingroom was enough sometimes, but I would get up and walk around it several times a day - as often as I could.

Here is an article about the use of herbs to help warm the body, hopefully it will be of some use to you as well: www.mindbodygreen.com/0-6791/5-Warming-Herbs-to-Weather-the-Winter.html

I'm not sure what doppler would reveal? I'm not sure it can pick up on inflammation on the inside lining of the blood vessels, or what that would do for your treatments? More information is only helpful if you need to verify something or diagnose something for better treatments. We sometimes get lost in getting tests and the number we are presented with, when we really need to concentrate on healing these infections - only my point of view, and I've been there too (frequently!).

My hubby had doppler done on his legs and discovered that they were packed with blood clots, but can it visualize the details well enough to detect inflammation on the inside of the blood vessels is what I'm not sure of.

Thank you Traveler. I really don't want to waste money on tests, while that money I can invest in buying supplements and further treatment. I was afraid because of this new pain, if I have some clots in blood vessels or something like that.
But I think it is inflammation. And I think it is Bartonella related. I haven't treated it, and I am pretty sure I have it. Next time I will ask my LLMD about adding something for Bartonella.

BBM - if you aren't taking hawthorn already....maybe look into it?

It's a good supplement if you have bartonella - good for the heart and blood vessels.
Helps with circulation.

Resveratrol comes from Japanese knotweed...but also from red wine grapes.

You want it sourced from JK.

Does it say on the bottle what the Resveratrol is from?
It does sound like a good supplement.


You could add some JK to that.

I have been using hawthorn with abx. I have not read of interactions. I did a quick read about the cytochrome P450 and I didn't write hawthorn down on my list.

I haven't used Red Root - but it does have some coagulation properties..

Buhner addresses it here:

buhnerhealinglyme.com/herbs/red-root-and-hypercoagulation/

"However, although red root does increase coagulation, in the doses I suggest it should not be a problem. Additionally, many of the herbs—andrographis and cat’s claw for example, are reliable blood thinners that inhibit blood clotting. Knotweed also facilitates blood flow through other mechanisms.
These herbs are more than enough to counteract any clotting actions of red root and should easily—if hypercoagulation does indeed occur—reverse that condition in the doses listed."

The Resveratrol from another source isn't 'bad' - you can just add some JK to your protocol if you want.


The hawthorn from Woodland Essence is from fresh berries, flower and leaf.

Are you taking CoQ10? It's also great for heart/blood vessels.

I haven't read/heard anything about JK being contrindacted with abx.

I took it with several different abx.