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Posted 11/25/2016 3:52 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry if this seems like a silly question, but I am so not a "pill" person. I'm now taking more pills than I've ever taken in my life; it's torture lol

I know it's best to start slowly with herbs and some detox methods, but do most of you start slow with supplements too or do you take the recommended dose as listed on the bottle?

For example, I'm just starting Collagen (Type 1 and 3, 1000mg tablets). Recommended dose is 3 tablets twice a day, which seems like A LOT.
Posted 11/25/2016 4:10 PM (GMT 0)
Things like collagen are okay (I believe) to start off at higher doses - collagen won't make you herx.
Posted 11/25/2016 4:17 PM (GMT 0)
I have the same struggle. Pills often make me gag! All these supplements..... ugh! I haven't gotten the full dose of most of mine just because it's hard to take that many dang pills!
Posted 11/25/2016 5:30 PM (GMT 0)
I always go low & slow. Some of the most odd things have made me react in a bad way. I learned the hard way, but i'm stubborn, so I learned the hard way too many times... I started slow w/ collagen also but was able to work up fairly quickly, although I'm only on 1/2 recommended dose still... I figure it's never bad to start low & slow always... I know we all want to get better as fast as possible, but going slow is safe & you then know which thing causes an issue... and how much.
Posted 11/25/2016 6:18 PM (GMT 0)
PMM,

I don't herx from supplements and just take them all after breakfast. My son does herx. Everyone is different.

For collagen I do bone broth with hydrolized collagen flakes - I also take Vit C, selenium they help too.

I feel like I take about 12-15 supplements. Not sure if that is a little or a lot.

Go slow- who needs more herxing!
Posted 11/25/2016 6:22 PM (GMT 0)
I took 2 tablets of the Collagen. I honestly don't foresee myself taking 6 a day of just collagen lol Maybe I'm just lazy but I prefer tinctures haha
Posted 11/25/2016 7:04 PM (GMT 0)
pmm73

I never knew that collagen was available in capsules. Following Buhner's recommendation resulted in me taking Great Lakes collagen (green can only because the red can version worked like a laxative for me lol).

PeteZa talked about Protein Essentials hydrolized collagen that's slightly less expensive and has a little more protein.

Lyme really does a number on our collagen - it's the glue that holds our bodies together.

I put 2 scoops of collagen in my morning oatmeal....the same in my lunchtime smoothie....and I drink 8 oz. of bone broth in the afternoon. I can't imagine how many capsules I'd have to take to get that same amount of collagen lol
Posted 11/26/2016 1:56 AM (GMT 0)
Great point, Mister Mike!

Being a by-the-book person when approaching something new, I followed Buhner's dosing advice verbatum. Once I got up to the high end of any dose range listed in his books, I stopped increasing.

The Buhner-recommended herbalist I consulted thought that I'd been maintaining my infections when I shared my frustration with how long it's been taking to rid myself of some minor but present symptoms.

Per his advice, I am now taking higher doses of a smaller number of herbs and I'm taking them 4x daily instead of 3x daily as I had been. Based upon my progress over these past 3 months, I feel like I'm finally closing the gap.

I think the low and slow advise given on here applies more to starting something new. Some people aren't even able to take one drop of an herb in the beginning. I agree that there should be more emphasis about trying higher doses.

I know I didn't fully appreciate Buhner's words that we each need to find our optimal dose (and it could be higher or possibly much higher than the doses he lists in his books).

I also somehow missed his words about dosing certain herbs as frequently as 6x per day.
Posted 11/26/2016 2:10 PM (GMT 0)
Let me clarify what I mean when I say "low and slow" - since it was brought up and I say it A LOT! Lol! When I say this, it in no way means to not get up to higher doses - in time and as tolerated.

As CD said, this is only for starting doses, since very few of us have any idea how our body may respond to each herb, especially since we are now ill. But, again, this does not mean to stay on low doses, it's only for starting out.

The intention should always be to find the dose the individual tolerates - and in reading enough posts, it's easy to see we all tolerate different doses, besides what Buhner tells us.

But the intention is also to avoid as much herxing as possible, since being in that state is harmful to the healing process and to the body.

So, I suggest people start off on low doses, very low doses if you know your body is being sensitive, and slowly build up the dose to a point where it's effective, and yet the person is not in a continual herx. Nearly everyone should be able to get very close to or slightly above what Buhner (or other protocols) say is a full dose on most every item though.
Posted 11/26/2016 3:54 PM (GMT 0)

CD3764 said...
pmm73

I never knew that collagen was available in capsules. Following Buhner's recommendation resulted in me taking Great Lakes collagen (green can only because the red can version worked like a laxative for me lol).

PeteZa talked about Protein Essentials hydrolized collagen that's slightly less expensive and has a little more protein.

Lyme really does a number on our collagen - it's the glue that holds our bodies together.

I put 2 scoops of collagen in my morning oatmeal....the same in my lunchtime smoothie....and I drink 8 oz. of bone broth in the afternoon. I can't imagine how many capsules I'd have to take to get that same amount of collagen lol

I bought Doctor's Best Collagen Types 1 and 3. It has peptan, vitamin c, and calcium. I'm not sure what made me purchase this brand, as I believe I was looking for the Great Lakes Colllagen. Although, it did come in the same shipment where I ordered two pairs of the same pants. Hahaha!
Posted 11/26/2016 4:18 PM (GMT 0)

pmm73 said...
...]where I ordered two pairs of the same pants. Hahaha!

Guess you liked those pants ;) (I so relate and don't even want to start listing my stories lol)
Posted 11/26/2016 4:59 PM (GMT 0)

Mister Mike said...
Thanks guys - I truly appreciate the thoughtful replies and let me say that I know the intent of the "low and slow" mantra is to reduce unnecessary herxing/suffering for members, which is a great thing and this concern for all of us is one of the things that makes this forum the best.

I brought it up, not as a complaint, but as I saw the opportunity to share with members that while starting off slow is a very good thing, it is really, really important to keep increasing dosages on these herbs until you find your ideal amount. I personally don't think this concept gets enough "airtime", despite Buhner mentioning this in his books and what I'm reading here. Yes, some people are very sensitive to minute doses, but other people are not.

And p.s. Trav - I wasn't singling you (or anyone) out my friend! I actually don't recall you saying that term specifically, but I'll take your word for it!

No problems!! Having been saying the same things for so long, I have a tendency to not explain as thoroughly as I should! I thought it was an excellent post explaining things, Mister Mike! Thank you!!

And although I don't say "slow and low" too often on here, I say it a LOT in emails! LOL! As you said, the intention is to reduce herxing and get the person up on full doses with minimal amounts of herxing - but I thought I should also clarify what I meant - since you were so kind as to point this out.
Posted 11/27/2016 1:01 AM (GMT 0)

Mister Mike said...

And p.s. Trav - I wasn't singling you (or anyone) out my friend! I actually don't recall you saying that term specifically, but I'll take your word for it!

I'm guilty of it...
low and slow to start out....but not meaning to stop at the 'core' dose...everyone's 'top' dose is different.
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