Confused by why I got better first time around on Lyme treatment but now doctor thinking Bartonella

I do not believe that you get rid of lyme disease. Your immune system and all other systems in your body learn to keep it in remission. In our body we do have a lot of "stuff" that is dormant.

Tipping the scales in either direction can re-activate any infection that is lying dormant. It may very well have been a bad diet. Or you were overly stressed (and like me, I used to hide my stress even from myself), or you could have over indulged in alcohol (I did this one), or even get over stimulated at a concert. Work can always cause a stressful situation as does school and exams.

Who knows the cause. But symptoms mean you must treat.

I am so very sorry you have to go through this again. I am in remission and it is my biggest fear. I really do not want to treat again.

Thanks PeteZa. My thought is it is still Lyme because I got so much better without treating other co-infections. And you are right - I believe longer-term stress helped bring it back. That, and as you mentioned, my diet went where it shouldn't.



Just hoping I can get it back to where it was. And we all go through something. Glad you are in remission. Was it Lyme you treated? Co-infections? Have faith you can keep it.

Well, it was stress that did me in, not once, but twice. The first time it brought my adrenals crashing down, and then I got reinfected. The second time, I was in treatment, but stress 'happened' and I crashed all over again.

Since you didn't completely get rid of your symptoms the first time around, you were not healed. So you likely have that infection, and if you happened to pick up any other infections or not get any other infections treated completely, they may be back as well.

It's so hard when we have this happen!! Hang in there!

LOL! Well, it's been an interesting life, that's for sure!

First, we have to remember that most likely many more insects carry these infections than just ticks. Mosquitoes and deer flies have been proven to carry them, but many other insects have been implicated too.

Yes, asymptomatic infections do happen! I am usually asymptomatic with Bart and Babs (or very low symptoms, just because I recognize them after living with them for so many years previously), at least until I start treatments - then all heck breaks loose sometimes.

I"m not sure what all silver will treat, but I'm using it in my own viral protocol. I do believe that Blue was the one that mentioned it, and I do trust Blue to know that kind of information, as I know he has done a lot of studying on many of these things.

It could a number of possibilities, to be honest, but the most reasonable one is that you never completely healed the first time, since you still had symptoms. Your body was able to hang on, and keep your immune system high enough to combat the stress you were under, while you were under it - but now that things have "calmed down", the body is in a more relaxed state, and the immune function alone isn't enough to 'contain' the bacteria any longer. That's the nature of stress, unfortunately. And, it's something we can't avoid, even if we do need to all too often.

The other thing that may have happened, which would fit into where I think Blue was going (??) is that as you started using the silver, more symptoms came out, and may have been from more than one infection. That's fairly common as well, and is how I 'present' when I start treating Bart or Babs. I don't have many symptoms at all until I start treating one of my infections, then I start getting glimpses of each of my infections. Babs stays fairly dormant for me until I actually target it in treatment though.

One thing is for sure though, you do need treatment (as you already know and have started), so you are on the right track. Don't rule out any of the infections until you know you are healed is the way I go about it all - viral, bacterial, parasites -all of it.

runningwild said...
Thanks PeteZa. My thought is it is still Lyme because I got so much better without treating other co-infections. And you are right - I believe longer-term stress helped bring it back. That, and as you mentioned, my diet went where it shouldn't.



Just hoping I can get it back to where it was. And we all go through something. Glad you are in remission. Was it Lyme you treated? Co-infections? Have faith you can keep it.

I treated lyme with herbs - Beyond Balance and Buhner protocol. After I had no symptoms for a couple of weeks I decided to do cryptolepis and houttuynia for babs and bart "just in case." Nothing happened. No herx, nothing at all. I did that for a couple of months and then I quit all the herbs.

I was so nervous.

Now, I live clean and stress free and no commitments. I go and do as I please because I am retired and I eat super healthy. I do not want to treat again. I got to no symptoms in March and quit herbs June 27, 2016. Hubby got lyme symptoms in November 2016 and he is now treating with Buhner. He did not go get a lyme test (he says he thinks they are very unreliable) and he refuses to go to a doctor (he saw me go to so many with horrible results). He thinks I will heal him with herbs.... Gosh I hope so.

What a wonderful thing to have both of your kids in track with you! Congratulations on that! And don't rule out that you will be there just yet!!

I know how this sounds, and please forgive me for this, but you are back here now, and concentrating on how to get healthy again is much more important - as you know. I'm really glad you are already back in treatments, and please don't rule out any infections until you get to the point of being ready to treat it. For example - don't assume you don't have Lyme, until you have cleared your symptoms that could be related to Lyme.

We look forward to interacting with you here while you are going through your treatments!