bvt thread

Hi ,i wanted to create a thread devoted to bvt and it may be sparse and quiet but for posterity and knowledge dissemination i thought it appropriate. There is facebooks and a few sites, plenty of you toobers

like the herbs or rife thread i am creating this to share ,guide and give-hope and knowledge. Please debate/argue elsewhere but Bee free to ask here.

Bee venom therapy is the treatment with the venom of honeybees.along with other products of the hive (propolis ,royal jelly and bee pollen)

bee venom may not be for everyone .a percentage of people are allergic.! Have a epipen on hand at all times if choosing this modality. Unless one has anaphylaxis most reactions are normal.

tweezers ,benadryl, epi pen ,bees and hootzspa is all one needs . It can be a investment in a hive or mail order at about 15$ a week.

the standard set by ellie lobel and her minions is 10 full stings ,3x a week for 2 to 3 years .she was abx for 15 yrs ,wheelchair bound and she is now traveling. Her story is nothing short of amazing

I have seen some improve with just microstings and heard of someone in mexico doing 75 stings a day. So like all lyme tx , i think it must be tailored ,tolerance built up and a willingness to persevere.

This is the famous 1997 study that started it that buhner propogates and may be the reason why people with ms have done so well with bvt as a treatment as opposed to immunosuppressive tx
/academic.oup.com/cid/article-lookup/doi/10.1086/516165

a good place for info is www.honeybeehealers.com
jen is a alumni of the american apitherapy society certification which was founded by charles mraz.

Some purists think it is best as monotherapy.although tooty and myself noticed gains in reducing symptoms and visually in our microscopes when using bvt with abx/herbs/rife

Bee venom is a toxin ,contains many peptides ,dopamine
and is more effective than glucosteroids in inflammation reduction. It is lipophilic ,antibacterial,antifungal and possibly anti-apicomplexian and antiviral as well as anticarcinagenic.

it regulates th1 /th2.and is a effective pain treatment modality It has been used for many centuries as a treatment for arthritis.(mycoplasma?)

I will post some studies on its effectiveness on staph,hiv ,and of course lyme n co.
eva sapi is long overdue in her 33 page paper on venom and its efficacy on borrelia biofilms
www.nhregister.com/article/NH/20151011/NEWS/151019914

when i began 1.5 years ago i was begining to have als like sx with extreme vertigo and pain .(plus many other horrible sx ,livedo ,ocular migraines ,tmj etc etc) .. I worked a 15hr day a few weeks ago

I have done many other treatments in combination and treated other pathogens with other modalities but bvt has been the staple ...

Also will continue to share progress ,experience and knowledge as well as encourage others to do the same thanks healing well

also getting a hive will ensure food pollenation, make flowers and help humanity

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 5/20/2017 2:11:09 AM (GMT-6)

YAY. YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY.

Cannot wait until I have wrapped up IV abx. Doing the bees.
Well, I gotta find someone who will do the bees for me--on me. I don't have the hootzpa. I'm terrified of bees but gonna do this.

Great thread!

-p

So i got some bee venom eye drops and they have been helping with the photosensitivy also using them in my ears and the tinntus is reduced. Dancing bee acres has em .and yes they burn just a little .but that how ya know its workin...

bump for bostonmg

I would not hesitate to try this. I got stung by a nest of wasps when I was around ~11. I 10/10 Still I would do this treatment 100% now to mitigate the Lyme and Co symptoms, and totally on board with other alternative therapies absent traditional shortfalls of treatment. Thx BlueLyme.

The bees have given me courage to face my greatest fear -the reaper comes for us all how we choose to face it is a choice .courage is having fear and facing it anyway.i was petrified to get a port and do iv abx but pirouette helped me with words of reassurance .

the microsting consists of removing the stinger manually with very fine tweezers and tapping it quickly (usually on acupuncture points ) (a good way to dafely test for allergy) wait 20 min with benadryl epi handy...a set is when you place said stinger in one spot and a full is when you let the bee do it .the dosing in theory is 10mcg ,100mcg,1000mcg respectively.

The cream from venex is a good test .it is 1/3 of a sting per linear inch. It will turn skin red and have amazing circulatory response .it stopped the drilling ache in my joint so well i wanted more and more .

there is a natural histamine response and a dropping of mast cells due to the degranulating nature of the venom . Itching in the first months in normal til your body no longer sees it as a threat (iocane powder princess bride )This is also why it can break the osp of borrelia imo . And it can also lyse cells to get the intercellular buggers. With bart i need extra ummph of herbs ,propolis and abx ..

i use a water based medical grade of green brazilian propolis .it is anticancer antitumor antibacterial and antifungal .it has helped against giardia and h pylori.

bee pollen is great for fatigue. It can desensitize local allergies so start slow .it has all the b vitamins except b12 .many aminos .
i have been using high dose royal jelly as it is saved for just feeding the queen .it is super high in aceytlcholine which octipi use to regrow limbs .it regulates hormones and is a potent biofilm buster according to buhner due to the undycenic acid . And manuka honey has healed wounds and staph that no pharma can touch .they evenake a patch now for burn victims.

start slow and low ...it took me a many months to work up to 20+bees per session. (All popping in my knees and elbow has abated ) .and while i was afraid to handle them i now tend my hive without a suit .its about zen and balance .
I am working on a documentary but maybe i will post some you tubes on the finer artistic points of the super acupuncture techniques

Hi bluelyme!-

Thank You for starting this thread!! And for sharing all this information about BVT with us.

I think that you should open your own clinic! You can use your microscope to diagnose patients and then send them into the next room for BVT!!

Thank You for all your hard work!!

Just a update .I quit iv abx started Zhang and upped stings to 15-18 as few weeks back, rotating sting areas with great relief.just got back from a lttle holiday which i really needed.

1.5 years in working out again slowly .keep it up sean and keep us posted

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 5/31/2017 6:32:08 PM (GMT-6)

Thanks for the updates blue - I may just start bvt sooner than later - my hip joints are starting to hurt again. Went off the Rocephin 3 wks ago. The more I read your posts the more interested I get. I like your idea for videos - you do sound like you have made a ton of progress. Keep posting!

And the bee coop sounds fun.

-p

Thanks for doing this thread, Bluelyme! I too have been doing BVT! I am 14 months in and normally do 10-12 stings per session. My schedule is every other day, but sometimes it goes longer. It took me about a half year to work up to nominal "dosage" which is 10 stings per session. I have done as many as 16 per session but that was too "hot" for me....meaning I felt worse on it (probably too much kill). That said, it wasn't until I got to at least 10 stings per session that I really made gains. Beginners shouldn't go too fast, but the key is to work up to at least 10 stings per session as quickly as possible.

What I want to stress for anyone considering BVT is that normally (for me anyhow) you only feel BETTER when you sting!!! As long as you go slow and work your way up on stings per session, you only feel better and better. If you have pain (such as joint or muscle pain), the stings, at least temporarily, take that totally away! AND, for me, after stinging, my coordination and PD-like, MS-like, and ALS-like symptoms lessen! And, now, after months of stinging (along with ABX), my neuro-degenerative coordination symptoms are almost non-existent most of the time!!!

I LOVE TO STING!!!

If it wasn't for the bees, I would still be slowly dying! But, as I have stated elsewhere, I don't think the BVT alone would have gotten me to the place I am now at. For me, it has been the combination of the right ABX and BVT that has gotten me to where I am. But, ABX alone was allowing me to slowly die a painful, agonizing, wasting, hellish death. At my lowest point, I was only a vestige of my former relatively healthy self. I was beginning to resemble a concentration camp inmate.

BVT has been key for me in knocking back the infections AND rebuilding. I am still not out of the woods, but as Bluelyme said, the Grim Reaper is not right behind me anymore. I am actually enjoying life again.

If you read the available medical and scientific literature regarding bee venom and melittin (I scoured the literature) you will find that it has potent antimicrobial action against almost every pathogen known to infect man. Very potent against fungus, yeast, biofilm, L-forms, spirochetes, apicomplexans (protozoans), and gram positive bacteria!!! I don't think I missed anything. The only thing I found in the literature that it is not very potent against was gram negative bacteria. Bee venom has about 50% kill rate for those type of bacteria. That is why Bluelyme and I have supplemented our BVT with ABX and other antimicrobials with activity against those bacteria (such as Bart & BLO).

But, I emphasize!!!..... against all the others I mentioned BVT has VERY POTENT antimicrobial activity! Very high kill rates! Just an example: bee venom is more potent than Fluconazole for fungus. So, you get the idea.

I was going to encourage all to "Feel the burn!" but didn't know if that was appropriate considering it's a twist on a former political slogan, and, considering the fact that if you ice your sting areas beforehand, you really feel very little if anything when doing this therapy. Really!

Happy stinging!

I find this bee-lievable and so fascinating. I am a scaredy cat of bees.

Thank blue for posting and also making it easy to find in our searches for future reference.

Thanks for sharing Tooty!

-p

Wasp allergy may or may not mean bee sensitivity their venom is very different . My teacher had 1 client that could and another who could not ...benadryl was adminstered no epipen needed on microsting test .

directly on painful areas works well . Dive girl deb feels it has a 7 or 9 in radius of efficacy .ellie feels it is systemic . She claims relief of her hand arthritis only having stung her back ..i go where the ketes are hiding ..

i will send a email of sourcing bees . It is a cute Christian elderly apirary i started with until i got my own hives going .very cost effective .have epi and liquid benadry on hand .start with just 1 quick full on shoulder or between scapula and pull stinger out immediately. ..wait 20 to 30 min .should turn red swell a bit but this is normal ...then mirror other side sting and leave it in 3 -15min (this is full dose of 1 sting sac ) and one has begun with 1.5 with a goal of 10 full increasing by one maybe 2 every session. Brace for herx ...

Rikky1 said...
would be great if there was an easier way of doing BVT without having to have your own bees and have them sting you over and over again. unfortunately that's a big barrier for most to try this modality.

blue any options out there that may be close to as effective as live bee stings?

You don't have to have your own hives to do this therapy. You can mail-order your bees on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. They are very cheap and the bees come right to your doorstep. It can't get any easier than that. As mono-therapy it's the cheapest, easiest, most effective treatment there is in my opinion. I guess each person has to determine if the risks, which basically amounts to a mental roadblock for most (since most people are NOT truly allergic to bee stings), outweigh the potential of getting well. For me, if this is all I had to do to make progress (unfortunately it seems I need ABX as well), I would consider it a dream protocol! No travelling to expensive doctor's visits, no expensive meds, no natural practitioner trying to sell me on their expensive supplements, no bloodwork......

They ONLY hinderance might be finding someone to administer the stings for you. But, it is very possible to do them yourself. I've done them in a pinch and there are youtube videos of people self-administering them.