Desperate :(

Sorry to hear about that...

Did you try to stop and check?

I test probiotics energetically and I'm sure sometimes some strains harm my gut flora (some sort of bad synergy).

Later, I still may need that same probiotics though, but sometimes I feel worse when adding some strains.

Hi Ashley Ann-

I'm sorry you're having GI ISSUES-

First - I know it's frustrating but your MD is 100% correct about waiting to start tx until your GI heals. We take our tx orally so GI problems can prevent proper absorption of everything - including food and nutrition and meds.

Tx can be hard on the GI, making problems worse and maybe even damage even worse. And another key issue is that 70% of our immune system is the mucosal lining of our GI! And there is no tx that can heal us without the support of our immune system. So gut health is critical.

Also - 52 billion is a good dose, but maybe too high to start with. Your challenge is probably because your GI issues likely involve yeast/fungal overgrowth - it's very common but particularly with abx use. Your sx tell a y/f story.

The propbiotics are supposed to rebalance the gut biome, so the likely reason you're experiencing those sx is from yeast/fungal die off! So that's a very good thing (although a little confusing and uncomfortable) but necessary.

Another possible reason for the sx is that you're taking a product that has something in it you're sensitive to.

What I would do first if I were you is:

1. Keep taking it but reduce the amount you're taking and

2. You should always add a good gut detox binder when you're dealing with y/f overgrowth quicker, they can sometimes help improve bowel movements which is also key - to keep things moving. The binder is helpful to get the debris removed better after killing the y/f and it can also help prevent the y/f from establishing. Always use binders with 2-hr buffers before+after the binder (where you don't eat or take any meds or supps during this buffer time) and drink a lot of water all day long.

3. It's important to be on an antifungals Rx if you already have yeast/fungal overgrowth - natural antifungals won't work for most once the y/f is already prevalent. See the LAST POST in the "New to Lyme?" thread at the top of the page for important y/f tx info.

4. If steps 1-3 don't help in another 2 weeks or so, try a different brand - keep it high# of strains, fresh-refrigerated is best, start with low doses.

5. Diet is KEY - don't give the y/f anything to thrive on (sugars, simple carbs).

Hope this helps-

-p

Post Edited (Pirouette) : 9/23/2017 9:53:22 AM (GMT-6)

Thank you- what is a good binder?

Thank you!!!🙏🏻 I'll buy some today. Hopefully that will ehhmmm make things more normal. I want to start my Lyme regimen asap. I also ordered a new probiotic from Dr.MR. Are any of you familiar with him? He offers anti yeast supplements also. I debated buying them but being new to this..and all these herbal things scare me.

Post Edited By Moderator (Girlie) : 9/23/2017 3:09:46 PM (GMT-6)

Oh! I'm sorry! I ordered his probiotic. He seems like a very intelligent man.

have u tried taking saccharomyces boulardii? it's a healthy yeast. Dr H mentions it in his lyme book as required during treatment, along with hi dose probiotics.

I would be careful taking large doses of any probiotics. The body is already fighting lots of bacteria, yeast, fungus and pathogens and you are basically introducing more bacteria and yeast and they are foreign to the body. Just because we call them healthy, doesn't mean the body is responding as such. When fighting Lyme, the body is very confused about who is the good guy and who is the bad guy. That's the whole auto-immune component to Lyme.

When I was very sick, and I tried to take a regular dose of probiotics, I had the same thing happen to me plus I got hives. My LLMD recommended very, very tiny doses slowly increased if you have no reaction. Sounds like you are taking too much.

I take the Garden of Life Raw Probiotic 5-day Max care. It comes in a powder and you can start with a tiny scoop. It's supposed to be for 5 days, but it lasts 3 months!

Also, try taking some apple cider vinegar (small amount!) before you eat. Its also probiotic.
Good luck.

Post Edited (cr3ativegirl) : 9/24/2017 7:54:45 AM (GMT-6)

Thank you both for your super helpful responses!!!! My probiotic is in capsule form, but can be opened and I can do a little at a time to see what happens. I am using bone broth and trying to follow the candida diet as best as I can.
Dacarte3- what antifungal did you use and how long?

Girlie- I just ordered it. It should be in tomorrow. Do you also take sac . Boulardii??

So what is considered high dose? Over 200 billion?

I sometimes take 100 billion - it varies (and that doesn't include the Kefir I sometimes eat - as there isn't an amount listed on the container ...I have several on hand and mix it up each day.