Anyone tried ayahuasca or kambo treatment for lyme?

Have heard of some trying it- curious if anyone here has tried?

Kambo sounds terrifying. Apparently, there is a guy in my building who does it. A mutual friend was supposed to put me in contact with him, but never did. I'm just going to Infusio. Sounds a little less painful.

spaceinthesky said...
Yes

I have Lyme babesia and had bartonella as well as EBV, Mycopladma and C pnuemoniae

I’ve worked with ayahuasca every 2 weeks at least for the last 15 months and I am A LOT better

I had meningitis from Lyme and it has greatly helped all things memory and neurological; however, it has not cured me as fatigue is still quite s problem!!

It has allowed me to feel safe inside my body again and reignited my wellness in spiritual ways that as you know is severely affected when your nervous system is being terrorized

I am so thankful for this medicine

I have not worked w Kambo but may in the future. It frightens me a bit as what if the frog had infectious disease??

I have worked w Rapay. That has been phenomenal.

Prayers for all you - may you feel safe and supported in your sickness and encouraged in your health. Blessings

Wow! That's pretty serious. I've done ayahuasca in ceremony twice and smoked DMT/Changa 50+ times. Not so much since Lyme. I chickened out of the last ceremony only to instantly regret it. I was just so afraid of going so deep and then having some bs like heart palpitations ruin it. But it sounds like it could actually be a very good thing. I really do consider ayahuasca one of, if not the, highest forms of medicine. It won't cure all physical ails directly, but it really addresses the psychospiritual components in a way nothing else can. Even though I haven't done it since Lyme I give it a lot of credit for getting me through as my old self would not have been half as resilient

acarined said...
This one gave me quite the double-take. I've taken psychedelics, and they are invaluable for the spirit and mental health, but I wouldn't have considered them as a treatment for these infections. Sure enough, Pubmed has a hit:

The Therapeutic Potentials of Ayahuasca: Possible Effects against Various Diseases of Civilization

...immunoregulation by DMT is a bidirectional process. Sig-1Rs are expressed together with 5-HT receptors in immune cells conveying both inflammatory and anti-inflammatory signals. These receptors are essential in the “fine-tuning” of innate and adaptive immune responses. Human clinical studies showed that ayahuasca can alter the number and distribution of blood immune cells in a way that can increase the antiviral and anti-tumor immunity of the consumer. Ayahuasca also influences the distribution of lymphocyte subpopulation: CD4 lymphocytes decrease and the number of natural killer cells increase significantly with time. The possible anti-cancer activity of the decoction makes it a promising candidate for further researches in novel pharmacotherapies. Furthermore, DMT may also be an adaptogen increasing the survival rate of neurons or other cell types during acute hypoxia or under chronic oxidative stress.

Mental/Spiritual and physical processes can not be separated. Any benefit to the nervous system is essentially a benefit to the immune system. Though it's hard to ascribe a specific benefit to the acute effects of ayahuasca, the long term reductions in stress and so on are as important to well being as eating right, exercising, sleeping well and so on. In this respect it is potent medicine. I wouldn't like anyone to get the idea that simply ingesting the brew will eradicate their Lyme. While there may be direct and indirect antimicrobial effects those are pretty poorly described. The general benefit to overall well-being on the other hand is self-evident.

Curious if anyone has tried this?

I’ve been speaking w a woman who has Sjogrens, very bad case. Lots of muscle wasting, hair falling out, lack of circulation, neuropathy.

I was speaking to her before she decided to try Kambo. Now she’s been doing it for 3m and the after pictures are impressive. She’s gone from bed bound to out doing things. Her eyes are way better, hair stopped falling out.

Wonder if this could be used for lyme and other autoimmune.

The caveat is she also doing hydrocortisone and thyroid meds and an impressive supplement list which she started about a month after the kambo, by recommendation of a pretty sharp dr she says is worth talking to, but she credits the kambo for the turnaround as it began before the supplements.

The other caveat is it’s very painful for about 30m, but after seeing her before and after pictures and following her story, I’m intrigued

Agreed. I've used ketamine a few times. I find it very "healing". For the week or so after a treatment I have a general sense of well-being and little to no pain. Regular treatments may have more of a cumulative effect. I'm tryin to get my dr to prescribe at home troches so i can do it more regularly.

He believes that it is calming to the autonomic nervous system, kind of a reset, and it helps to rewire new neural pathways. He described it as "getting anything that you've swept under the carpet out in the open". I would agree. The experience when doing high doses like he gives is a bit scary at first as youre forced to confront certain uncomfortable things, but then when its over you feel a sense of calmness in having confronted them. I'd liken it to a type of autonomic retraining you may see in DNRS. The same parts of the CNS are affected.

I think the main mechanisms of action (that we seem to know about) are to increase the action potential (thus lowering sensitivity) in NMDA-receptors which are responsible for excitatory pain pathways, and an increase in BDNF (brain-derived neutropic factor).

Peter Thiel is currently investing a lot of money into this space. Hopefully new treatments will emerge.

Kambo, however, is not really a psychedelic. It's apparently got 22 active natural peptides that work on the immune system and has been used by the indigenous for healing for millenia. I'd trust those over all the synthetic peptides that come out today.

Anyway, I wish i could post her before and after pictures, but that would be an invasion of privacy. The change is profound. And she's not BS'in since she sent me the before pictures over the course of normal conversation before starting the Kambo.

She described the experience as equivalent to childbirth, however..."it's a tossup". Yikes. You feel awful for 30 minutes like youre whole body is goin to explode, then it wears off and you feel amazing.

Post Edited (dcd2103) : 5/29/2021 8:35:18 AM (GMT-6)

ayahuasca is a psychedelic. I have zero interest in trying it. Ketamine is too but as mentioned it’s very tolerable and it does make you feel great when you’re done.

Kambo isn’t as far as I know. I may leave this in my list of things to explode at a later date