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Posted Today 7:56 PM (GMT 0)
Honestly, it seems so impossible to be surrounded by good food and drinks and not have a little bit every now and then at least. I know we should be on a very strict diet but is it really going to hurt to have a little piece of chocolate every couple weeks or something that's not necessarily good for us. I can stay strict on a diet but it's hard not to have at least one day or thing every now in then to enjoy life a bit. Does anyone here cheat a little? Also everyone says no gluten, dairy, or sugar. But that is extremely hard to shop for and expensive. Especially when your family doesn't have to diet. Anyone find success with trying as much as they can to eat like that. I need a little hope.
Posted Today 8:40 PM (GMT 0)
For me personally, the only thing that works is a zero tolerance policy. I know myself. If I get a case of the "screw-its" and give in and cheat just once, I will fully relapse.

I don't think it's fully possible or good to eliminate all sugar. Many foods have added or natural sugars at some level. I just say no to cookies, candy, desserts, sweets, etc. Sometimes I will have fruit here or there.

I will not eat gluten/wheat products at all. I am not militant on cross-contamination or anything, but I never cheat there. I sooooo miss a good pizza, bread, pasta, etc.

I did not totally eliminate dairy. I do not like it much, so I am already limiting a lot. I guess I am lucky here. I am thinking about totally eliminating though.

It is sooo hard to stay off this crap. Especially sitting with the family for a movie while they chug down the gummy bears and chocolate and I am sipping my matcha tea. Oh well.

friends and family think you are weird and crazy when you get together for a group dinner and only have 1 or 2 things on your plate. Oh well.

no beer at the football game with my fiends. Oh well.

when the salespeople bring in two dozen doughnuts in the office and everybody around you is stuffing their face with delicious doughnuts. Oh well.

At least I am still well enough to get to work. Otherwise, if I indulge, that may not be the case.

Post Edited (Missouri) : 11/30/2017 1:44:32 PM (GMT-7)

Posted Today 8:52 PM (GMT 0)

Missouri said...
For me personally, the only thing that works is a zero tolerance policy. I know myself. If I get a case of the "screw-its" and give in and cheat just once, I will fully relapse.

I don't think it's fully possible or good to eliminate all sugar. Many foods have added or natural sugars at some level. I just say no to cookies, candy, desserts, sweets, etc. Sometimes I will have fruit here or there.

I will not eat gluten/wheat products at all. I am not militant on cross-contamination or anything, but I never cheat there. I sooooo miss a good pizza, bread, pasta, etc.

I did not totally eliminate dairy. I do not like it much, so I am already limiting a lot. I guess I am lucky here. I am thinking about totally eliminating though.

It is sooo hard to stay off this crap. Especially sitting with the family for a movie while they chug down the gummy bears and chocolate and I am sipping my matcha tea. Oh well.

friends and family think you are weird and crazy when you get together for a group dinner and only have 1 or 2 things on your plate. Oh well.

no beer at the football game with my fiends. Oh well.

when the salespeople bring in two dozen doughnuts in the office and everybody around you is stuffing their face with delicious doughnuts. Oh well.

At least I am still well enough to get to work. Otherwise, if I indulge, that may not be the case.

There are good gluten free pastas now - if you're just avoiding it because of the gluten.
Posted Today 8:53 PM (GMT 0)
I don't have a strict diet...so I don't need to cheat.

I just focus on eating healthy. I rarely eat gluten...but when I do I don't feel guilty.

I do eat dairy...just not a lot.
Posted Today 9:11 PM (GMT 0)
For me it's out site outa mind. But I also grew up on real food. There was no candy in our home growing up. Parents cooked. We did McD's once a month as a treat- not like a normal meal. Junk food as normal daily food is an American epidemic that needs to change. I can see how this would be very challenging with others in the household though.

I do miss pizza and beer. Pizza made me feel so crappy after, that I continually remind myself of that. I cheated on T-day weekend and got a six pack of gluten removed beer. The $10 price tag is an incentive to not cheat this way for a while. that was the trade off for having no turkey stuffing. Note: I had zero alcohol for two years when treating lyme (done for now). Had ten beers this whole year, no hard booze at all. But with an insufficient liver, every beer might be 15 minuets off my life too! Life is better than beer.

Regular whole foods are not that expensive, you just need to be creative in trying new things or old things prepared in a different way, grilling veggies, ect, spices ect.

I prefer almond milk over real milk any day, no brainer.

Made chicken and shrimp tacos last night with G/F wrap, cauliflower "rice" in place of rice, organic salsa,. the salsa prob isnt paleo, but the organic ingreadiants are. Had grilled chicken and a sweet potato for lunch today, made it last night. Its not costly anymore, but time consuming....yes.

If you do cheat, make it only on special occasions, or just not at all. Just dont go overboard. And maybe its an oppoutunity for people to get their families eating one step healthier.

Post Edited (astroman) : 11/30/2017 2:19:25 PM (GMT-7)

Posted Today 9:30 PM (GMT 0)
Girlie- I have tried some of the gluten free pastas. In my opinion they are not yummy enough to offset the carbohydrate and caloric intake they still bring.

As far as cost goes- I have to agree with Traci, and disagree with Astroman. Since I started eating a heathier paleo like diet, my grocery and food cost has increased at least five fold.

Carbohydrates average what $1 per pound? Protein, fresh veggies, nuts, seeds average what, $5-$8 per pound? When you look at dollars per calorie it gets even worse. I don't see how people can argue it is the same price to eat healthy... its just not...

I believe its THE main factor why junkfood and obesity are epidemic. People cannot afford to eat healthy. When my kids were in daycare and my wife wasn't working I couldn't afford to eat heathy either.

Now I can afford it and it just sucks and I am venting/ complaining... hahah smile
Posted Today 10:11 PM (GMT 0)
Astroman, can you come and cook at our house? Those chicken and shrimp tacos sound amazing!

MO, I went crazy, in the beginning of my Lyme journey, 1 year ago, and cut out everything -- gluten, dairy, soy, corn -- all of the culprits that the Whole30 advocates and other nutritionists cite as harmful for the GI tract and challenging for gut health for those with compromised immune systems.

I understand the science and appreciate the approach. But, everyone is so different and, for me, it did not make a huge difference. By this summer, I was allowing myself occasional dairy and gluten, and my battle against Lyme and Co's did not take a turn for the better until this summer.

That said, we eat extremely healthy at our house -- lean proteins, lots of green veggies, whole grains -- and I think, in the end, you need to stick with whatever diet makes you feel the healthiest. That may not require you to completely give up anything.
Posted Today 10:13 PM (GMT 0)
Sorry, Missouri, I meant to address that second point to Traci! Love Lyme, I barely know my own name today.
Posted Today 10:17 PM (GMT 0)
I am kind of biased, since fast food and junk food were never a normal staple in my diet for every meal, but I did eat that stuff.

Affordability - It depends whats available in your area. And if your a smart shopper. If your in hickville with one store..good luck, yes, prices will be higher.

For once in my life, the last 5 years has brought a couple national chains groceries who are cheaper than local stores.. And a new local version of Whole foods with low prices. I could drive to a real whole foods before - what a joke, there is a reason their parking lot is filled with Beamers and Mecedes cars.

We have farmers markets all over to- but thats only a savings in bulk.

COST COMPARISON of my healthy lunch vs fast food:

My lunch today: sweet potato .88 cents (walmart)
three all natural chicken tenderloin strips ....about 1.40 (8 in package were 3.75 local)
1/4 small bag baby carrots (whole bag was 2.00) .50 (local)
water (free) ----------
=2.78


Compare at: Taco Bell, I'm still hungry at $6.00
McD's 2 basic burgers fries, drink $5.20
1 big slice pizza at gas station and pop $6.00

Hmm........looks like homemade was cheaper.

The difference I notice is energy cost in home meal prep. In the northland natural gas and LP are costly, but electricity is half the price of southern (hot) states. Thus, I use my electric George Foreman counter top grill a lot, and it still cooks four minutes after its unplugged.


1 can of chef-bouy-ar-dy (ha ha) is $1.00 but thats not much of a lunch, yet people live off that.

My home made deluxe shrimp/chicken taco dinner last night was under $4.

Pasta was one of the few things that would fill me up before, so now I'm not stuffed after a meal, but it feels better.

I also eat ALL day long avoiding huge meals- in my 50's I'm the same healthy weight/build as I was at 25; big meals are best avoided.

Post Edited (astroman) : 11/30/2017 5:44:51 PM (GMT-7)

Posted Today 10:32 PM (GMT 0)

Missouri said...
Girlie- I have tried some of the gluten free pastas. In my opinion they are not yummy enough to offset the carbohydrate and caloric intake they still bring.

As far as cost goes- I have to agree with Traci, and disagree with Astroman. Since I started eating a heathier paleo like diet, my grocery and food cost has increased at least five fold.

Carbohydrates average what $1 per pound? Protein, fresh veggies, nuts, seeds average what, $5-$8 per pound? When you look at dollars per calorie it gets even worse. I don't see how people can argue it is the same price to eat healthy... its just not...

I believe its THE main factor why junkfood and obesity are epidemic. People cannot afford to eat healthy. When my kids were in daycare and my wife wasn't working I couldn't afford to eat heathy either.

Now I can afford it and it just sucks and I am venting/ complaining... hahah smile

The gluten free pasta I buy is not much different tasting than the regular - texture is different though - it breaks down easier.

I don't like the 100% rice pasta - Theres a brand - Tinkyada or something like that - I don't like.
Posted Today 10:41 PM (GMT 0)
Oh, God... I haven't "cheated" in years. It was difficult, but something that grows on you, in between health concerns, unpleasant reactions, etc.

I miss it, especially around the holidays, but the biggest pain nowadays is how it affects me socially.

"Hey, Antonio, want to go out to eat after class?" "Hey, should we order a pizza?" "The such-and-such person at work or school is throwing a luncheon for us." "We're having an *insert holiday here* thing for the students."

No, sorry, I don't eat processed foods. Whole foods only. That's what I say, to avoid struggling to explain candida, mold, and the like. Sorry. I'm weird, I know, guys. Healthy kid, right? Have fun at the Mexican restaurant I used to love. Asian buffet? Oh, man, dig in. Cya in class tomorrow.

Really, though, I'd be happy to be able to eat a few low sugar fruits, starchy veggies, and select grains. I doubt I'll ever go back to pizza, ice cream, or anything heavily processed, boxed foods, you get the idea... even if I feel confident in the state of my gut.

In between yeast/fungus and multiple chemical sensitivities, my diet had dwindled down to nothing. Actually, it's still next to nothing, but I need to get whatever is living in my sinuses to clear out. I can feel definite fungal symptoms in my sinuses whenever I eat things like carrots, sweet potatoes, etc. It's strange, because I don't feel fungal symptoms anywhere else. I used to, not anymore, thankfully. Strange that whatever it is won't leave my sinuses.

Anyway, yeah... those are my cheat foods now.

I want some of grandma's tamales, every Christmas, so very badly, but I never give in. about one of my only real triggers.

toodles
Posted Today 10:46 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you everyone for ya'lls replies,

Missouri- I completely understand. Especially about the family thing. My family loves food and not exactly the good kind. It's not that they hit up fast food all the time but they love red meat, fried foods, pizza, bread, sweets treats, sweet tea and sodas which is all the thinks I want to eat/drink. The hardest ones for me would have to be red meat, bread and sweet tea. Even though occasionally I'll crave something sweet like chocolate or cake. It's not that I want to cheat all the time but I wish I knew how safe it is to cheat every couple weeks or so for a day maybe nothing crazy. Just a little something to enjoy and feel like my old self again.


Astroman- some healthy foods are cheap but most in my area arent. But even with I do try to buy a whole bunch of healthy foods I still feel so hungry. For example I can make myself a salad and it just doesn't satisfy me. I can have healthy snacks but I just want to keep eating more and more. It sucks.


Girlie- Thank you I'm glad I'm not the only one. I read so many posts and they make it seem like you're going to die or the lyme is going to get severely worse if you have one little bite of something you're not supposed to have and it really does scare me and put me down.


KB69- Thank you I needes to hear that! Hope I can find a good balance for myself and learn what my body needs and does it need.
Posted Today 10:51 PM (GMT 0)
NotQuiteAntonio- you're a lot braver than me. I love tamales and Mexican food way way too much. This Thanksgiving I ate everything that was made including my Mississippi mud pie and cherry cheesecake. After I indulge I make sure that I know how to stop and start right back up on eating clean. Hopefully no harm done.
Posted 12/1/2017 1:13 AM (GMT 0)
Tonight I will make chicken veggie kabobs, on the George Foreman cause its windy, dark and 30 outside.

I'm guessing four 10" kabob loaded sticks will cost me $3 to make, and thats a tasty meal, enough for some lunch Friday too.

At a restaurant this is $12-15 + tip, pre-made at the grocery store its $10 for three kabob sticks with a gluten/soy slury on top.

At walmart tonight for example on basic veggies- one bag of Organic whole big carrots (med bag 16oz) was .98 cents. One small bag of baby non-organic carrots was $2.00. I'll gladly eat the organics for half the price of the little cuter ones..

12 oz can of no salt added green beans, "reduced price" .50 cents. Organic? No, but big deal. Walmarts are all over the US in medium size towns. It is an enjoyable shopping experience? No, but who cares. The "classy grocery store" with carpeting easily costs 20%-30 more on everything.

I dont know how others here shop, but it pays to compare unless your have to drive real far. If people consider $2.00 pizzas and Spaghettios normal meals every day of the week, it will catch up to you in the long run.

That said, the little town I camped near close to the northern boarder last month had crazy food prices in the only two food stores around, everything was 25%-50 more, but thats also as far as the truck goes. Anyone in that situation is screwed for food cost, any food.

Although this may not apply here, some people consider classy cars or just new more basic ones (25-30K) more important than proper nutrition, which is nuts.. And the latest $600 smart phone......I worked with a guy like that who ate Roman noodles three days a week and canned "kids pasta" the other two..

Post Edited (astroman) : 11/30/2017 6:33:50 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/1/2017 3:12 AM (GMT 0)
I always think a little cheat isn't going to be a big deal..


and then here I am a week an a half later shoveling crap into my mouth and feeling worse and worse every day. Total downward spiral.

Its definitely all or nothing for me. I slipped this time because I was too exhausted to cook supper one night, and my husband didn't want to either. There are not any healthy options to eat out here, so we ended up with burgers and that began my week and a half of binge crap eating. I keep telling myself everyday that I am going to start over again tomorrow...

May your willpower be stronger than mine.
Posted 12/1/2017 3:53 AM (GMT 0)
Cooking time is tough if your still sick. I used a bar stool by the stove during those days.

I've even done home grilled burgers with toasted sough dough (almost gluten free) in place of wheat buns. I lean towards grilling buffalo and elk burgers (no hormones by law) most of the time which are obviously higher priced, but still cheaper and healthier than a restaurant.

Just finished up my own invention of Paleo Mediterranean / Greek chicken kabobs. Yummy. Pretty awesome "deluxe" dinner for under $3. Cooking better with less is all about imagination and spices/herbs. It took me 45 minutes. My point in mention this is it tasted so good that it felt like cheating, but wasn't cheating at all..
Posted 12/1/2017 7:11 AM (GMT 0)

astroman said...


Just finished up my own invention of Paleo Mediterranean / Greek chicken kabobs. Yummy. Pretty awesome "deluxe" dinner for under $3. Cooking better with less is all about imagination and spices/herbs. It took me 45 minutes. My point in mention this is it tasted so good that it felt like cheating, but wasn't cheating at all..

Okay - would you stop teasing us with those Chicken kabobs? My mouth is watering!!!
Posted 12/1/2017 2:45 PM (GMT 0)
Hey guys

So speaking of food. Do you guys eat beans?? I absolutely love them!! Just wondering if you eat them. Also, how about corn tortillas? I wanna make tacos and my husband like corn tortillas But was wondering if i should eat them or buy gf tortillas
Posted 12/1/2017 3:35 PM (GMT 0)
Like everything else with Lyme, it’s a personal decision. If you “cheat” and don’t feel any worse, who is to judge you for it? The Lyme Gods cannot frown upon you for your personal choices. There is no diet theory that you are morally required to adhere to. If, for all your treatments, you can’t get better, it’s in your best interest to try cleaning up your diet. If you get better without changing, good for you! This is the one factor that IS in your hands. The way I see it, it’s all I can do for myself that won’t cause reactions or possibly waste $20 - $100 on a supplement that turns out to not work for me. It cannot hurt ANYONE to eat Earth-grown God-given nutrients and cut the processed junk. You’ve nothing to lose but your patience and for a little while your social life. But you make adjustments and push on.

I have a treat, and I suffer. I can’t for the life of me get rid of Candida. This is enough to drive me away from sugar. Dairy and corn give me rage and depression. Gluten and peanuts might be contributing to my vertigo and brain fog, but I haven’t diligently tested those yet. Soy makes me terribly sick. Alcohol, even a little gives me a hangover.

I did a modified GAPS- like diet for two weeks and had an amazing few days of clarity. I need to get back to eating nutrients, so that can’t last forever, but gut healing I think has a lot of benefit.

My grocery costs have doubled, last month almost tripled. I take the meat seriously though, and don’t buy just any “all natural” stuff from the store. Free range, pastured, local, REAL food is expensive. But this is my choice and my desperation to get better. I’ll do whatever it takes that can’t hurt.

Keep a Food N’ Mood diary (I just made that up). Find out what works for you. You do not need anyone’s permission to eat or not. The best way to learn is the hard way, unfortunately. Cheat! Test your waters! It’s only IF you experience negative results that you will believe in the diet- doing things because the internet said so is not enough to keep you at it. You have to feel it yourself.
Posted 12/1/2017 4:00 PM (GMT 0)

astroman said...
I am kind of biased, since fast food and junk food were never a normal staple in my diet for every meal, but I did eat that stuff.

Affordability - It depends whats available in your area. And if your a smart shopper. If your in hickville with one store..good luck, yes, prices will be higher.

For once in my life, the last 5 years has brought a couple national chains groceries who are cheaper than local stores.. And a new local version of Whole foods with low prices. I could drive to a real whole foods before - what a joke, there is a reason their parking lot is filled with Beamers and Mecedes cars.

We have farmers markets all over to- but thats only a savings in bulk.

COST COMPARISON of my healthy lunch vs fast food:

My lunch today: sweet potato .88 cents (walmart)
three all natural chicken tenderloin strips ....about 1.40 (8 in package were 3.75 local)
1/4 small bag baby carrots (whole bag was 2.00) .50 (local)
water (free) ----------
=2.78


Compare at: Taco Bell, I'm still hungry at $6.00
McD's 2 basic burgers fries, drink $5.20
1 big slice pizza at gas station and pop $6.00

Hmm........looks like homemade was cheaper.

The difference I notice is energy cost in home meal prep. In the northland natural gas and LP are costly, but electricity is half the price of southern (hot) states. Thus, I use my electric George Foreman counter top grill a lot, and it still cooks four minutes after its unplugged.


1 can of chef-bouy-ar-dy (ha ha) is $1.00 but thats not much of a lunch, yet people live off that.

My home made deluxe shrimp/chicken taco dinner last night was under $4.

Pasta was one of the few things that would fill me up before, so now I'm not stuffed after a meal, but it feels better.

I also eat ALL day long avoiding huge meals- in my 50's I'm the same healthy weight/build as I was at 25; big meals are best avoided.

You are lucky 250 calories is enough for you. Maybe you are a big snacker. If so the cost for that needs to be factored in if you aren't meeting your caloric needs with meals. You also have to factor in seasonings, butter, etc. I need about 750-1200 in each meal. I would need to eat the whole box of chicken to even get close to my caloric needs for the meal.
Posted 12/1/2017 4:07 PM (GMT 0)

Traci said...
Thank you everyone for ya'lls replies,

Missouri- I completely understand. Especially about the family thing. My family loves food and not exactly the good kind. It's not that they hit up fast food all the time but they love red meat, fried foods, pizza, bread, sweets treats, sweet tea and sodas which is all the thinks I want to eat/drink. The hardest ones for me would have to be red meat, bread and sweet tea. Even though occasionally I'll crave something sweet like chocolate or cake. It's not that I want to cheat all the time but I wish I knew how safe it is to cheat every couple weeks or so for a day maybe nothing crazy. Just a little something to enjoy and feel like my old self again.


Astroman- some healthy foods are cheap but most in my area arent. But even with I do try to buy a whole bunch of healthy foods I still feel so hungry. For example I can make myself a salad and it just doesn't satisfy me. I can have healthy snacks but I just want to keep eating more and more. It sucks.


Girlie- Thank you I'm glad I'm not the only one. I read so many posts and they make it seem like you're going to die or the lyme is going to get severely worse if you have one little bite of something you're not supposed to have and it really does scare me and put me down.


KB69- Thank you I needes to hear that! Hope I can find a good balance for myself and learn what my body needs and does it need.

Traci you are right. If you want to eat healthy, better be prepared to pay the price. Salad is a great example. For me to make a salad for a meal. I usually end up spending close to $10 for the total cost of all the ingredients. The cost per calorie is very high for salad. it takes a lot of turkey/ham/eggs to get a salad up to the 800 calorie range with no dressing (I don't like dressing).

You have to look at cost per calorie. The only "healthy-ish" food that has a low cost per calorie is potatoes. And they really aren't even all that healthy.
Posted 12/1/2017 4:18 PM (GMT 0)
I did an elimination diet for about 5 weeks a year and a half ago after developing IBS-C. The diet didn't fix anything and I started cheating on Sundays with dessert after dinner at the buffets. I still tried to stick with the diet for the most part for about 8 months. All I got was severe weight loss. Right before I got IBS, I weighed 113. Eight months later I was down to 87 lbs.

October of last year, I chucked the diet due to circumstances (hurricane and no access to "special" food). Much to my surprise I didn't die and nothing awful happened right away. I felt much better not starving and continued to eat large amounts of meat, vegetables, some fruit and desserts. I ate that way until April. By April, my voracious appetite slowed down and I had finally gotten up to a comfortable 94 lbs. I also stopped working the end of March and started going to McDonald's with my parents every morning (bad, yes, very bad).

Slowly, I started feeling worse gut-wise. about 3 weeks ago, I took one S. boullardii capsule for the first time. The next day, I felt awful. I quickly eliminated sugar, gluten, and dairy as much as I could. That lasted for about a week and a half. The day before Thanksgiving, I started another period - 1st one in 5 months and felt awful sick with intestinal pain. I turned pale and almost yellow and felt queasy so I ate saltine crackers. Thanksgiving Day I started feeling much better and stuffed myself with everything including dessert. The next day, I felt the best I have in a long time. I've had some really good and some really bad days since the day before Thanksgiving (most likely hormone driven).

I kept up the bad food, including fast food through yesterday. Today I stayed home, but I haven't eaten yet. Hopefully, I'll be good today. I know food matters in a general sense. I just don't know what in particular matters for me and my particular illness factors, since I don't know what is really driving my IBS and gut issues. I can be very stubborn and slow to jump on bandwagons that I have unanswered questions about.

Bottom line, at this point I tend to agree with Traci. If certain foods make you feel worse or you have known factors like Celiac or Candida, then obviously your diet needs to be appropriate for those particular things. Otherwise, I honestly don't see the harm in treating yourself as Traci described. I'm still not convinced that everyone with Lyme has to eliminate all kinds of food or they'll never get well or relapse or some other horror will come upon them. Of course, I could always be wrong.
Posted 12/1/2017 4:32 PM (GMT 0)

Missouri said...

astroman said...
I am kind of biased, since fast food and junk food were never a normal staple in my diet for every meal, but I did eat that stuff.

Affordability - It depends whats available in your area. And if your a smart shopper. If your in hickville with one store..good luck, yes, prices will be higher.

For once in my life, the last 5 years has brought a couple national chains groceries who are cheaper than local stores.. And a new local version of Whole foods with low prices. I could drive to a real whole foods before - what a joke, there is a reason their parking lot is filled with Beamers and Mecedes cars.

We have farmers markets all over to- but thats only a savings in bulk.

COST COMPARISON of my healthy lunch vs fast food:

My lunch today: sweet potato .88 cents (walmart)
three all natural chicken tenderloin strips ....about 1.40 (8 in package were 3.75 local)
1/4 small bag baby carrots (whole bag was 2.00) .50 (local)
water (free) ----------
=2.78


Compare at: Taco Bell, I'm still hungry at $6.00
McD's 2 basic burgers fries, drink $5.20
1 big slice pizza at gas station and pop $6.00

Hmm........looks like homemade was cheaper.

The difference I notice is energy cost in home meal prep. In the northland natural gas and LP are costly, but electricity is half the price of southern (hot) states. Thus, I use my electric George Foreman counter top grill a lot, and it still cooks four minutes after its unplugged.


1 can of chef-bouy-ar-dy (ha ha) is $1.00 but thats not much of a lunch, yet people live off that.

My home made deluxe shrimp/chicken taco dinner last night was under $4.

Pasta was one of the few things that would fill me up before, so now I'm not stuffed after a meal, but it feels better.

I also eat ALL day long avoiding huge meals- in my 50's I'm the same healthy weight/build as I was at 25; big meals are best avoided.

You are lucky 250 calories is enough for you. Maybe you are a big snacker. If so the cost for that needs to be factored in if you aren't meeting your caloric needs with meals. You also have to factor in seasonings, butter, etc. I need about 750-1200 in each meal. I would need to eat the whole box of chicken to even get close to my caloric needs for the meal.

My math is valid, in my area, where I shop. Even if I needed to double up on both my examples, the price ratio/comparison would not change.

Even when I ate with more poor choices, I still snacked, so thats no different. Seasonings are dirt cheap. The chicken I buy doesnt come in a box. The boxed chicken I see has a processed coating on it. I was very athletic in my younger years and never needed a real high calorie intake, most people dont. I'm no hulk, but I'm not little either.
Posted 12/1/2017 6:55 PM (GMT 0)
I need about 2,500 calories a day to maintain my weight and energy level (184lbs). Consider these comaprisons for my daily intake:

2 whole roasted chickens, 2 whole bags of baby carrots, and 2 sweet potatoes. 2,500 calories $16-25 or so?

vs

2 loaves of bread calories ~2,500. Price about $4

vs

1.67 lbs of rice ~ 2,500 calories $1.23

$$ per calorie healthy $.008
$$ per calorie unhealthy $.001

about 8 times the price. And that is including potatoes which I consider moderately healthy.

I'm not saying you are wrong. You have some good logic/arguments. also-
I'm not saying my diet plan is the best for everybody else, but I also stand by my math that a healthier clean protein and vegetable diet is about 5-8 times more expensive than a diet based on grains and carbohydrates.

Haha, I can't resist a good debate. smile also just venting because I want to complain about the major impact switching to healthy food has made to our families budget.

Gotta love a good debate right? smile
Posted 12/1/2017 7:11 PM (GMT 0)

physedgirl09 said...
Hey guys

So speaking of food. Do you guys eat beans?? I absolutely love them!! Just wondering if you eat them. Also, how about corn tortillas? I wanna make tacos and my husband like corn tortillas But was wondering if i should eat them or buy gf tortillas

I eat black beans, and chick peas.

I also eat corn tortillas because I don't want a lot of gluten in my diet. (even though I don't react to it)


Corn is gluten free btw. (taco, corn tortillas )
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